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Thomas Dai

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Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« on: November 20, 2014, 11:05:42 AM »
The Close House Colt thread got me wondering what are the best inland courses built in GB&I since around about 1990 or thereabouts?

Any suggestions?

atb

Mark Chaplin

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2014, 11:09:07 AM »
Bearwood Lakes?
Cave Nil Vino

David_Tepper

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2014, 12:09:50 PM »
Loch Lomond? One or two of the courses in Ireland? Maybe the K Club?

Daniel Jones

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2014, 12:29:57 PM »
Lough Erne, perhaps?

James Boon

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2014, 12:33:56 PM »
Of those I've played, The Grove is pretty much the best, or perhaps Spey Valley, despite its "copy and paste" bunkering?  ::)

I have though walked the back nine of Close House while under construction and can't wait to get back and see it as I thought that had real potential.

Cheers,

James
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Sean_A

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2014, 12:40:25 PM »
I would think Queenwood and Wisley have to be up there, maybe with Loch Lomond.  The three best I have seen are Grove, Cumberwell Orange and Bearwood.  I would like to see Queenwood one day.

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Marc Haring

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2014, 01:07:02 PM »
 I would like to see Queenwood one day.

Ciao

Well good luck with that Sean ::)

Ryan Coles

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2014, 05:50:45 PM »
Not sure when the marquess at Woburn opened. If pre 1990. Then I'd vote for Remedy Oak.

Paul Gray

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2014, 06:00:52 PM »
Close House surely????
In the places where golf cuts through pretension and elitism, it thrives and will continue to thrive because the simple virtues of the game and its attendant culture are allowed to be most apparent. - Tim Gavrich

Paul Gray

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2014, 07:51:51 PM »
Mr Sheehy,

I honestly don't know but got the impression that Close House was a strong contender. I didn't mean to imply that I actually had an answer.

Renaissance?
In the places where golf cuts through pretension and elitism, it thrives and will continue to thrive because the simple virtues of the game and its attendant culture are allowed to be most apparent. - Tim Gavrich

Jon Wiggett

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2014, 08:57:11 PM »
Of course I would say Brahan but then I might be a little biased  ;D

I would imagine Lomond would be hard to beat but then I have not seen Close House.

Paul,

Renaissance has some links holes so is not an inland course I would imagine.

Jon

Paul Gray

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2014, 03:02:06 AM »
Of course I would say Brahan but then I might be a little biased  ;D

I would imagine Lomond would be hard to beat but then I have not seen Close House.

Paul,

Renaissance has some links holes so is not an inland course I would imagine.

Jon

I completely misread/didn't read the title. Oops.   :-[
In the places where golf cuts through pretension and elitism, it thrives and will continue to thrive because the simple virtues of the game and its attendant culture are allowed to be most apparent. - Tim Gavrich

Thomas Dai

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2014, 04:20:30 AM »
So this far we have the following inlanders -

Close House Colt
Bearwood Lakes
Loch Lomond
K Club
Lough Erne
The Grove
Spey Valley
Queenwood - "Just tell them Darren sent you" :)
Wisley
Cumberwell Orange
Marquess at Woburn
Remedy Oak

For listing and debate purposes I shall add -

PGA/Centenary at Gleneagles
2010 course at Celtic Manor - forget about the hype, the walks and the like, it's actually 18 damn fine modern style holes of golf

Out of curiosity, what would be the price point you'd be prepared to pay to play any/all of these courses?

atb

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2014, 04:37:48 AM »
So this far we have the following inlanders -

Close House Colt
Bearwood Lakes
Loch Lomond
K Club
Lough Erne
The Grove
Spey Valley
Queenwood - "Just tell them Darren sent you" :)
Wisley
Cumberwell Orange
Marquess at Woburn
Remedy Oak

For listing and debate purposes I shall add -

PGA/Centenary at Gleneagles
2010 course at Celtic Manor - forget about the hype, the walks and the like, it's actually 18 damn fine modern style holes of golf

Out of curiosity, what would be the price point you'd be prepared to pay to play any/all of these courses?

atb

There's a new private course near St Albans called The Centurion Club by Simon Gidman that looks worth a peek... Probably Adam has visited...

I presume we're not counting ANY courses located next to the sea, even if they are not links. I think that is fairer.... Either way, there are a few in Ireland that aren't often mentioned... Killeen Castle - although a long walk - I think is a good modern day Nicklaus design with a fair bit of interest... There are a couple of Jeff Howes courses in Ireland I think worthy of discussion...

Jon - I'd rather play Brahan than most of those as well. So you're not alone.


Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2014, 05:04:43 AM »
Here are the also rans complete with architect
THORNEY GOLF CENTRE FEN   36   6104   Cambridgeshire   1991   A Dow
THORNEY GOLF CENTRE LAKES   36   6402   Cambridgeshire   1991   A Dow
WELSH BORDER GOLF COMPLEX   9   3050   Powys   1991   A Griffiths
LAKESIDE LODGE   27   6865   Cambridgeshire   1992   A Headley
ROKER PARK   9   3037   Surrey   1993   A Helling
FYNN VALLEY   18   6361   Suffolk   1991   A R Tyrell
RUSPER   18   6621   Surrey   1992   A W Blunden
SPRINGWATER   18   6244   Nottinghamshire   1991   ADAS / Peter McEvoy
ERLESTOKE SANDS   18   6406   Wiltshire   1992   Adrian Stiff
FOREST HILLS   18   6300   Gloucestershire   1992   Adrian Stiff
DAINTON PARK   18   6210   Devon   1993   Adrian Stiff
OAKE MANOR   18   6109   Somerset   1993   Adrian Stiff
ST CLERES HALL   18      Essex   1993   Adrian Stiff
CUMBERWELL PARK   18   6955   Wiltshire   1994   Adrian Stiff
THE KENDLESHIRE   27   6544   Gloucestershire   1997   Adrian Stiff
THE PLAYERS CLUB   18   7617   Gloucestershire   2002   Adrian Stiff
CUMBERWELL PARK B&O   18      Wiltshire   2007   Adrian Stiff
THE PLAYERS CLUB STRANAHAN   18   5536   Gloucestershire   2010   Adrian Stiff
AUSTIN LODGE   18   7118   Kent   1991   Adrian Stiff & Peter Bevan
RICHINGS PARK   18   6094   Buckinghamshire   1996   Alan Higgins
RIVENHALL OAKS   9   3128   Essex   1994   Alan Walker
BURGHAM PARK   18   6751   Northumberland   1994   Andrew Mair
TICKENHAM   9   4000   Somerset   1991   Andrew Sutcliffe
K CLUB   36   7178      1991   Arnold Palmer
K CLUB SOUTH   18         2003   Arnold Palmer & Ed Seay
BRAILES   18   6310   Oxfordshire   1992   B A Hull
MATTISHALL   9   6170   Norfolk   1990   B C Todd
WENSUM VALLEY   18   6223   Norfolk   1990   B C Todd
LONGHIRST HALL   18   6570   Northumberland   1997   B Poole
PARC   18   5512   Monmouthshire   1990   B Thomas
RUTLAND WATER         Rutland   2007   Ben Stephens
CAPE CORNWALL   18   5650   Cornwall   1990   Bob Hamilton
LANGDON HILLS   18   6504   Essex   1991   Bob Sandow
THE VALE   27   7566   Worcestershire   1991   Bob Sandow
TRELOY   9   4286   Cornwall   1991   Bob Sandow
BANK HOUSE HOTEL   18   6204   Worcesteshire   1992   Bob Sandow
BOWOOD PARK   18   6692   Cornwall   1992   Bob Sandow
CHELSFIELD LAKES   18   6077   Kent   1992   Bob Sandow
MAPLEDURHAM   18   5625   Berkshire   1992   Bob Sandow
MENTMORE ROSEBERRY   36   6580   Buckinghamshire   1992   Bob Sandow
MENTMORE ROTHSCHILD   36   6777   Buckinghamshire   1992   Bob Sandow
PADBROOK PARK   9   6108   Devon   1992   Bob Sandow
SINGING HILLS   27   6601   West Sussex   1992   Bob Sandow
THOULSTONE PARK   18   6300   Wiltshire   1992   Bob Sandow
THREE LOCKS   18   6025   Buckinghamshire   1992   Bob Sandow
ST ANDREWS MAJOR   9   2931   South Glamorgan   1993   Bob Sandow
COTTRELL PARK   27   6606   South Glamorgan   1996   Bob Sandow
THE WOLDINGHAM   18   6322   Surrey   1996   Bradford Benz
ORCHARDLEIGH   18   6810   Somerset   1996   Brian Huggett
THE SPRINGS HOTEL   18   6470   Oxfordshire   1998   Brian Huggett
MALTON   18   6708   Cambridgeshire   1993   Bruce Critchley
RUTHERFORD CASTLE   18   6558   West Lothian   1998   Bryan Moor
GEDNEY HILL   18   5450   Lincolnshire   1991   C Britton
WERGS   18   6949   Staffordshire   1990   C W Moseley
RUTLAND COUNTY   18   6401   Rutland   1991   Cameron Sinclair
WHITTLEBURY PARK   36   7000   Northamptonshire   1992   Cameron Sinclair
WHITTLEBURY PARK (2)   36   5000   Northamptonshire   1992   Cameron Sinclair
HEYDON GRANGE   27   6512   Cambridgeshire   1994   Cameron Sinclair
WHITEKIRK   18   6526   Lothians   1995   Cameron Sinclair
LAMERWOOD   18   6953   Hertfordshire   1996   Cameron Sinclair
SHIRENEWTON   18   6607   Monmouthshire   1995   ceased
CHEDINGTON COURT   18   5950   Dorset   1991   Chapman / Hemstock
OAKSEY PARK   9   5800   Wiltshire   1991   Chapman Warren
KNOTTY HILL BISHOPS   36   5886   Durham   1992   Chris Stanton
KNOTTY HILL PRINCES   36   6577   Durham   1992   Chris Stanton
MENDIP SPRING   27   6334   Somerset   1992   Christine Langford
FOTA ISLAND   18   6886      1993   Christy O'Connor jnr & Jeff Howes
PINE RIDGE   18   6458   Surrey   1992   Clive Smith
NORWOOD PARK   18   6805   Nottinghamshire   1999   Clyde Johnson
WYCHWOOD   18   6669   Oxfordshire   1992   D Carpenter
ASHBURY   36   5244   Devon   1991   D J Fenson
ASHBURY 2ND COURSE   36   5881   Devon   1991   D J Fenson
KENMORE   9   6052   Perth & Kinross   1992   D Menzies & Partners
ANSTY   18   6079   Warwickshire   1992   D Morgan
UPCHURCH RIVER VALLEY   27   6237   Kent   1991   D Smart
BEEDLES LAKE   18   6732   Leicestershire   1993   D Tucker
KIRTON HOLME   9   2884   Lincolnshire   1992   D W Mullberry
ABBEY MOOR   9   5277   Surrey   1991   D Walker
MOTTRAM HALL HOTEL   18   7006   Cheshire   1991   Dave Thomas
BOWOOD   18   7317   Wiltshire   1992   Dave Thomas
BATCHWORTH PARK   18   6723   Hertfordshire   1996   Dave Thomas
THE ROXBURGHE   18   7111   Borders   1997   Dave Thomas
BELFRY NATIONAL   18   7053   Warwickshire   2000   Dave Thomas
OULTON PARK   27   6479   West Yorkshire   1990   Dave Thomas & Peter Alliss
EASTBOURNE GOLFING PARK   9   5046   East Sussex   1992   David Ashton
ST KEW   9   4543   Cornwall   1993   David Derry
HINKSEY HEIGHTS   18   6936   Oxfordshire   1995   David Heads
INGON MANOR   18   6575   Warwickshire   1993   David Hemstock
THE MANOR   18   6508   West Yorkshire   1995   David Hemstock
MORTEHOE & WOOLACOMBE   9   4852   Devon   1992   David Hoare
EAGLES   9   2142   Norfolk   1990   David Horn
ST ANDREWS CASTLE            2008   David Kidd
WOODLANDS MASTERS         Gloucestershire   2008   David Knipe
OMBERSLEY   18   6139   Worcesteshire   1991   David Morgan
BEDFORD   18   6560   Bedfordshire   1999   David Pottage
HELLIDON LAKES HOTEL   18   6700   Northamptonshire   1991   David Snell
SILVERSTONE   18   6558   Buckinghamshire   1992   David Snell
COLLEGE PINES   18   6801   Nottinghamshire   1994   David Snell
WATERBRIDGE   9   3910   Devon   1992   David Taylor
RUSTINGTON   18   5735   West Sussex   1992   David Williams
BROKE HILL   18   6374   Kent   1993   David Williams
CLANDON REGIS   18   6419   Surrey   1994   David Williams
MID SUSSEX   18   6450   East Sussex   1995   David Williams
KINGS HILL   18   6622   Kent   1996   David Williams
NORTH WEALD   18   6311   Essex   1996   David Williams
MERRIST WOOD   18   6575   Surrey   1997   David Williams
HAPPY VALLEY   18   6858   Surrey   1999   David Williams
DANESBURY PARK   9   4150   Hertfordshire   1992   Derek Snowden
TIDBURY GREEN   9   2473   Warwickshire   1994   Derek Stephenson
MOUNT PLEASANT   9   6003   Bedfordshire   1992   Derek Young
HENNERTON   9   2730   Berkshire   1992   Dion Beard
QUEENWOOD   18      Surrey   2001   Dmk
AYLESBURY VALE   18   6612   Bedfordshire   1991   Don Wright
ISLE OF SEIL   9   2335   Argyll & Bute   1996   Donald Campbell
MILL RIDE   18   6752   Berkshire   1990   Donald Steele
BONDHAY   18   6785   Derbyshire   1991   Donald Steele
BROCKET HALL PALMERSTON   18   6925   Hertfordshire   1992   Donald Steele
BRUNSTON CASTLE   18   6792   Ayrshire   1992   Donald Steele
CRANE VALLEY   18   6421   Dorset   1992   Donald Steele
DUDSBURY   18   6903   Dorset   1992   Donald Steele
PORTAL   18   7037   Cheshire   1992   Donald Steele
THE LAMBOURNE CLUB   18   6771   Buckinghamshire   1992   Donald Steele
ST ANDREWS BALGOVE   9   1520   Fife   1993   Donald Steele
ST ANDREWS STRATHYRUM   97   5094   Fife   1993   Donald Steele
HURLSTON HALL   18   6746   Lancashire   1994   Donald Steele
LEEDS GOLF CENTRE   18   6800   West Yorkshire   1994   Donald Steele
OVERSTONE PARK   18   6602   Northamptonshire   1994   Donald Steele
WATERSTOCK   18   6535   Oxfordshire   1994   Donald Steele
THE CARNEGIE CLUB   18   6671   Caithness & Sutherland   1995   Donald Steele
HARLEYFORD   18   6587   Buckinghamshire   1996   Donald Steele
WOODHALL SPA BRACKEN   18   6735   Lincolnshire   1996   Donald Steele
TURNBERRY KINTYRE   45   6719   Ayrshire   2001   Donald Steele
BRIGHOUSE BAY   18   6366   Dumfries & Galloway   1999   Duncan Gray
MANOR (KINGSTONE)   18      Staffordshire   1991   E Anderson
HORNCASTLE   18   5717   Lincolnshire   1990   E C Wright
TRENT LOCK GOLF CENTRE   18   5730   Nottinghamshire   1991   E McCauslamd
SAND MARTINS   18   6204   Berkshire   1993   E T Fox
CARNE            1995   Eddie Hackett
ROMNEY WARREN   18   5126   Kent   1993   Evans / Lewis
ALLT-Y-GRABAN   9   2210   West Glamorgan   1993   F G Thomas
TREFLOYNE   18   6635   Pembrokeshire   1996   F H Gilman
MYTTON FOLD HOTEL   18   6155   Lancashire   1994   F Hargreaves
GREETHAM VALLEY LAKES   18      Rutland   1992   F Hinch & Ben Stephens
BAGDEN HALL HOTEL   9   3022   West Yorkshire   1993   F P O'Donell
WALTHAM WINDMILL   18   6400   Lincolnshire   1997   Fox / Payne
TRETHORNE   18   6188   Cornwall   1993   Frank Frayne
HORSLEY LODGE   18   6336   Derbyshire   1992   G M White
PORTSTEWART   18   6779      1992   Giffin / Harris / Park
SEDLESCOMBE   18   6269   East Sussex   1990   Glen Johnson
WORFIELD   18   6660   Shropshire   1991   Gough & Williams
INCHMARLO   27   6218   Aberdeenshire   1995   Graeme Webster
KIRTLINGTON   18      Oxfordshire   1995   Graeme Webster
MELVILLE GOLF CENTRE   9   4604   Midlothian   1995   Graeme Webster
KINGS ACRE   18   6005   Midlothian   1997   Graeme Webster
MELDRUM HOUSE   18   6379   Aberdeenshire   1998   Graeme Webster
SOUTH KYME   18   6597   Lincolnshire   1990   Graham Bradley
THREE RIVERS JUBILEE   18   4501   Essex   1997   Graham Packer
MOUSE VALLEY   27   6300   Lanarkshire   1993   Graham Taylor
BELTON WOODS LAKES   18   6831   Lincolnshire   1991   Grant Aitken
BELTON WOODS WOODSIDE   18   6623   Lincolnshire   1991   Grant Aitken
TRACY PARK CROWN   36   6252   Gloucestershire   1999   Grant Aitken & Adrian Stiff
DOONBEG   18         2001   Greg Norman
PRINCES RISBOROUGH   9   5440   Buckinghamshire   1990   Guy Hunt
MINCHINHAMPTON CHERRINGTON   18   6387   Gloucestershire   1990   Hawtree
WRAG BARN   18   6600   Wiltshire   1990   Hawtree
HINTLESHAM HALL   18   6638   Suffolk   1991   Hawtree
SEEDY MILL   18   6305   Staffordshire   1991   Hawtree
BROMSGROVE GOLF CENTRE   18   5969   Worcesteshire   1992   Hawtree
DRAYTON PARK   18   5535   Oxfordshire   1992   Hawtree
GLYN ABBEY   18   6173   Carmarthen   1992   Hawtree
RAMSDALE PARK   18   6546   Nottinghamshire   1992   Hawtree
THORNBURY GOLF CENTRE   36   6207   Gloucestershire   1992   Hawtree
WILDWOOD   18   6655   Surrey   1992   Hawtree
CANNINGTON   9   6072   Somerset   1993   Hawtree
LA GRANDE MARE   18   5112   Channel Islands   1994   Hawtree
LANGTON PARK   18   6724   Leicestershire   1994   Hawtree
RUDDING PARK   18   6871   North Yorkshire   1995   Hawtree
STOKE ALBANY   18   6132   Northamptonshire   1997   Hawtree
HURDWICK   18   5335   Devon   1990   Hawtree & Bartlett
PORTMORE GOLF PARK   9   6092   Devon   1993   Hawtree & Cox
BIRCHWOOD PARK   18   6364   Kent   1990   Howard Swan
COLNE VALLEY   18   6301   Essex   1991   Howard Swan
STRATFORD OAKS   18   6100   Warwickshire   1991   Howard Swan
BRETT VALE   18   5797   Suffolk   1992   Howard Swan
THE PRIORS   18   5720   Essex   1992   Howard Swan
WHARTON PARK   18   6435   Worcesteshire   1992   Howard Swan
THE BRIDLINGTON LINKS   27   6720   East Yorkshire   1993   Howard Swan
BRIDGEDOWN   18   6626   Hertfordshire   1994   Howard Swan
HORSEHAY VILLAGE   18   5929   Shropshire   1999   Howard Swan
FERNDOWN FOREST   18   5200   Dorset   1993   Hunt & Graftan
WINDMILL VILLAGE   18   5213   Warwickshire   1990   Hunter / Harry
LOCHRANZA   18   5470   Ayrshire   1991   I M Robertson
CRICKLADE HOTEL   9   3660   Wiltshire   1992   Ian Bolt
OAKDALE   9   1344   Monmouthshire   1990   Ian Goodenough
DALE HILL HOTEL (WOOSNAM)   18   6512   East Sussex   1995   Ian Woosnam
WHEATHAMPSTEAD   9   2100   Hertfordshire   2001   J D Edgar
CARSWELL   18   6133   Oxfordshire   1993   J Ely
LANHYDROCK   18   6100   Cornwall   1991   J Hamilton Stutt
WOODBURY PARK   27   6870   Devon   1992   J Hamilton Stutt
HALESWORTH   18   6383   Suffolk   1990   J W Johnson
PRISKILLY FOREST   9   5874   Pembrokeshire   1992   J Walters
MOUNT JULIET   18   7101      1991   Jack Nicklaus
THE LONDON HERITAGE   36   7208   Kent   1993   Jack Nicklaus
THE LONDON INTERNATIONAL   18   7005   Kent   1993   Jack Nicklaus
GLENEAGLES MONARCH   54   7081   Perth & Kinross   1995   Jack Nicklaus
CARDEN PARK CHESHIRE   36   6824   Cheshire   1996   Jack Nicklaus
CARDEN PARK NICKLAUS   36   7045   Cheshire   1996   Jack Nicklaus
HANBURY MANOR   18   7016   Hertfordshire   1990   Jack Nicklaus II
THE HERTFORSHIRE   18   6400   Hertfordshire   1995   Jack Nicklaus II
NAUNTON DOWNS   18   6135   Gloucestershire   1993   Jacob Pott
DARTMOUTH   36   7191   Devon   1992   Jeremy Pern
DARTMOUTH SHORT   36   4791   Devon   1992   Jeremy Pern
PENRHOS   18   6641   Cardiganshire   1991   Jim Walters
FRODSHAM   18   6298   Cheshire   1990   John Day
SOUTH HEREFORDSHIRE   18   6672   Herefordshire   1992   John Day
PEN-Y-CAE   9   4280   Wrexham   1993   John Day
PRYORS HAYES   18   6054   Cheshire   1993   John Day
KILNWICK PERCY   18   6214   East Yorkshire   1995   John Day
THE NOTLEYS   18   6022   Essex   1995   John Day
SLINFORD PARK   18   6450   West Sussex   1993   John Fortune
RODWAY HILL   18   6040   Gloucestershire   1991   John Gabb
SPARKWELL   9   5772   Devon   1993   John Gabb
COLMWORTH   18   6435   Bedfordshire   1992   John Glasgow
WESTON PARK   18   6603   Norfolk   1993   John Glasgow
DUNSTON HALL   18   6200   Norfolk   1994   John Glasgow
WYCOMBE HEIGHTS   18   6300   Buckinghamshire   1991   John Jacobs
BUCKINGHAMSHIRE   18   6880   Buckinghamshire   1992   John Jacobs
NORTHOP COUNTRY PARK   18   6802   Flintshire   1994   John Jacobs
SOMERLEY PARK   9   2155   Hampshire   1995   John Jacobs
FARLEIGH COURT   27   7626   Surrey   1997   John Jacobs
REMEDY OAK         Dorset   2006   John Jacobs
CARSINGTON WATER   9   6000   Derbyshire   1994   John Ludlow
CANNOCK PARK   18   5149   Staffordshire   1993   John Mainland
WEALD OF KENT   18   6169   Kent   1992   John Millen
HUNLEY HALL   18   6918   North Yorkshire   1993   John Morgan
FOREST PINES   27   6859   Lincolnshire   1996   John Morgan
TAUNTON VALE   18   6167   Somerset   1991   John Pyne
SANDHILL   18   6250   South Yorkshire   1993   John Royston
STRATHMORE GOLF CENTRE   27   6454   Perth & Kinross   1995   John Salvensen
CHARLETON   18   6149   Fife   1994   John Salvesen
STURMINSTER   9   5026   Dorset   1992   John Sharkey
ROTHES   9   4972   Aberdeenshire   1990   John Souter
ETCHINGHILL   18   6116   Kent   1995   John Sturdy
COLLINGTREE PARK   18   6776   Northamptonshire   1990   Johnny Miller
LEXDEN WOOD   18   5160   Essex   1993   Jon Johnson
CHESFIELD DOWNS   18   6646   Hertfordshire   1991   Jonathon Gaunt
MAGNOLIA PARK   27      Buckinghamshire   1992   Jonathon Gaunt
RYHOPE   18   4601   Durham   1992   Jonathon Gaunt
WILLOW VALLEY   18   7025   West Yorkshire   1993   Jonathon Gaunt
CHIDDINGFORD   18   5482   Surrey   1994   Jonathon Gaunt
OAKLAND PARK   18   5246   Buckinghamshire   1994   Jonathon Gaunt
RAMSIDE   27   6851   Durham   1995   Jonathon Gaunt
HIGH THROSTON   18   6247   Durham   1997   Jonathon Gaunt
LINDEN HALL   18   6486   Northumberland   1997   Jonathon Gaunt
WOKEFIELD PARK   18   6961   Berkshire   1998   Jonathon Gaunt
HAIGH HALL   27   6350   Lancashire   2002   Jonathon Gaunt & Steve Marnoch
THE OAKS   18   6743   North Yorkshire   1996   Julian Covey
LYONS GATE   9   3834   Dorset   1991   K Abel
STORWS WEN   9   5002   Isle Of Anglesey   1996   K Jones
ALVASTON HALL   9   3708   Cheshire   1992   K Valentine
PLASSEY   9   4962   Wrexham   1992   K Williams
THE WARWICKSHIRE N/W   18   7407   Warwickshire   1993   Karl Litten
THE WARWICKSHIRE S/E   18   7157   Warwickshire   1993   Karl Litten
ALDWICKBURY PARK   18   6032   Hertfordshire   1995   Ken Brown & Martin Gillett
OLD HEAD OF KINSALE   18   7215      1997   Kirby / Carr / Merrigan / Hackett / Higgins
KINGSBARNS   18   7126   Fife   1999   Kyle Phillips
THE GROVE   18      Hertfordshire   2003   Kyle Phillips
WHITLEY   9   4400   Wiltshire   1993   L Ross
LES MIELLES   18   5770   Channel Islands   1994   LE BRUN & WHITEHEAD
NIZELS   18   6297   Kent   1992   LENMAN/PURNELL
STOCKS HOTEL   18   7016   Hertfordshire   1994   M Billcliffe
HELE PARK   9   2584   Devon   1993   M CRAIG
HADDEN HILL   18   6563   Oxfordshire   1990   M MORLEY
LYDD   18   6517   Kent   1997   M Smith
WOOLLEY PARK   18   6636   West Yorkshire   1995   M Stattock
LAKESIDE   18   4550   West Glamorgan   1992   M Wooton
MATFEN HALL HOTEL   18   6516   Northumberland   1994   MAIR/JAMES/GAUNT
CARTON HOUSE OMERA            2002   Mark O'Mera
TOOT HILL   18   6053   Essex   1991   Martin Gillett
NAZEING   18   6598   Essex   1992   Martin Gillett
STOCK BROOK MANOR   27   6905   Essex   1992   Martin Gillett
CRONDON PARK   18   6585   Essex   1994   Martin Gillett
ARSCOTT   18   6112   Shropshire   1992   MARTIN HAMER
CHINA FLEET   18   6551   Cornwall   1991   Martin Hawtree
THE SHROPSHIRE   18   6637   Shropshire   1992   Martin Hawtree
AYLESBURY PARK   18   6150   Buckinghamshire   1996   Martin Hawtree
BEARWOOD LAKES   18   6800   Berkshire   1996   Martin Hawtree
FOREST HILLS   9   3220   Hertfordshire   1994   MEL FLAMMAGAN
BOSTON WEST   18   6333   Lincolnshire   1995   Michael Zara
ALDER ROOT   10   5820   Cheshire   1993   MILLINGTON & LANDER
HOUGHWOOD   18   6268   Merseyside   1996   N Pearson
HENLEY   18   6933   Warwickshire   1994   N Selwyn-Smith
BELFORD   9   6304   Northumberland   1993   N WILLIAMS
CHARTHAM PARK   18   6688   West Sussex   1993   Neil Coles
CASTLE ROYLE   18   6828   Berkshire   1994   Neil Coles
WOOLSTON MANOR   18   6408   Essex   1994   Neil Coles
MANOR (LACEBY)   18   6354   Lincolnshire   1992   NICHOLSON/RISHTON
A combination of whats good for golf and good for turf.
The Players Club, Cumberwell Park, The Kendleshire, Oake Manor, Dainton Park, Forest Hills, Erlestoke, St Cleres.
www.theplayersgolfclub.com

Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2014, 05:05:32 AM »
CHART HILLS   18   7135   Kent   1993   Nick Faldo & Steve Smyers
GRETNA   9   6430   Dumfries & Galloway   1991   Nigel Williams
DALZIEL PARK   18   6137   Lanarkshire   1997   Nigel Williams
SURREY DOWNS   18   6356   Surrey   2001   P Alliss
MAYWOOD   18   6424   Derbyshire   1990   P MOON
UFFORD PARK HOTEL   18   6485   Suffolk   1992   P PILGREM
PACHESHAM PAK GOLF CENTRE   9   2804   Surrey   1990   P TAYLOR
THE EUROPEAN CLUB   18   7149      1992   Pat Ruddy
ROSAPENNA            2003   Pat Ruddy
BALLYLIFFIN GLASHEDY   36   7217      1995   Pat Ruddy & Tom Craddock
DRUIDS GLEN   18   7026      1995   Pat Ruddy & Tom Craddock
LONG SUTTON   18   6367   Somerset   1991   Patrick Dawson
THE RIDGE   18   6254   Kent   1993   Patrick Dawson
STANDISH COURT   18   5266   Lancashire   1995   Patrick Dawson
PAXHILL PARK   18   6196   West Sussex   1990   Patrick Tallack
C & L COUNTRY CLUB   9   4440   Middlesex   1991   Patrick Tallack
CENTRAL LONDON GOLF CENTRE   9   4658   Surrey   1992   Patrick Tallack
KENWICK PARK   18   6815   Lincolnshire   1992   Patrick Tallack
THE BURSTEAD   18   6275   Essex   1995   Patrick Tallack
FOXBRIDGE   9   3118   West Sussex   1993   PAUL CLARK
ST THOMAS PRIORY   18   5969   Staffordshire   1995   Paul Mullholland
BLETCHINGLEY   18   6504   Surrey   1993   Paul Wright
HASSOCKS   18   5754   West Sussex   1995   Paul Wright
BROCKET HALL MELBOURNE   36   6616   Hertfordshire   1992   Peter Alliss & Clive Clark
HURTMORE   18   5530   Surrey   1992   Peter Alliss & Clive Clark
MANOR HOUSE (CASTLE COMBE)   18   6286   Wiltshire   1992   Peter Alliss & Clive Clark
DUMMER   18   6403   Hampshire   1993   Peter Alliss & Clive Clark
HERONS REACH   18   6461   Lancashire   1993   Peter Alliss & Clive Clark
PYRFORD   18   6256   Surrey   1993   Peter Alliss & Clive Clark
THE WILTSHIRE   18   6666   Wiltshire   1993   Peter Alliss & Clive Clark
ASTON WOOD   18      Staffordshire   1994   Peter Alliss & Clive Clark
CHOBHAM   18   5959   Surrey   1994   Peter Alliss & Clive Clark
MILL GREEN   18   6615   Hertfordshire   1994   Peter Alliss & Clive Clark
WOODSPRING   27   6587   Gloucestershire   1994   Peter Alliss & Clive Clark / Donald Steele
DERLLYS   9   2859   Carmarthen   1993   Peter Johnson
THE VALE OF GLAMORGAN   36   7500   South Glamorgan   2003   Peter Johnson
HEVER   18   7002   Kent   1993   Peter Nicholson
TEIGN VALLEY   18   5913   Devon   1995   Peter Nicholson
SWEETWOODS PARK   18   6610   Kent   1994   Peter Strand & Adrian Stiff
FARRINGTON   18   6716   Somerset   1992   Peter Thompson
ST ANDREWS DUKES   18   7271   Fife   1995   Peter Thomson
CHICHESTER NEW   18   6109   West Sussex   1990   Philip Sanders
CHICHESTER OLD   18   6442   West Sussex   1990   Philip Sanders
HAMPTWORTH   18   6516   Wiltshire   1994   Philip Sanders
BOUGHTON   18   6452   Kent   1993   Philip Sparks
MILE END   18   6194   Shropshire   1992   PRICE/GOUGH
SOUTHWELL   18   5770   Nottinghamshire   1993   R A Muddle
MERSEY VALLEY   18   6300   Cheshire   1995   R M R Bush
GRANGE PARK   13   4122   Lincolnshire   1992   R W PRICE
STOCKWOOD VALE   18   6031   Somerset   1991   RAMSEY/ AITKEN/ STIFF
BANBURY GOLF CENTRE   18   6706   Oxfordshire   1993   REED/PAYN
THE OXFORDSHIRE   18   7187   Oxfordshire   1993   Rees Jones
DEWLANDS MANOR   9   3186   East Sussex   1992   REG GODIN
ESSEX   18   6958   Essex   1990   Reg Plumbridge
HANOVER GEORGIAN   36   6669   Essex   1991   Reg Plumbridge
WEALD PARK   18   6612   Essex   1994   Reg Plumbridge
OLD NENE   9   5605   Cambridgeshire   1992   RICHARD EDRICH
STOCKLEY PARK   18   6548   Middlesex   1993   Robert Trent Jones
THE WISLEY   27   6858   Surrey   1991   ROBERT TRENT JONES JNR
ADARE            1995   Robert Trent Jones Snr
ELTON FURZE   18   6289   Cambridgeshire   1993   Roger Fitton
WOBURN MARQUESS   54   7214   Buckinghamshire   1997   Ross McMurray
MERLON   18   6210   Cornwall   1991   ROSS OLIVER
MANOR OF GROVES   18   6280   Hertfordshire   1991   S SHARER
RICHMOND PARK   18   6300   Norfolk   1990   SCOTT/JESSUP
ROTHER VALEY GOLF CENTRE   18   6602   South Yorkshire   1997   SHATTOCK/ROE
BRAMPTON PARK   18   6300   Cambridgeshire   1991   Simon Gidman
PUCKRUP HALL   18   6189   Gloucestershire   1992   Simon Gidman
FOREST OF GALTRES   18   6412   North Yorkshire   1993   Simon Gidman
FRILFORD HEATH BLUE   18   6728   Oxfordshire   1993   Simon Gidman
WITNEY LAKES   18   6460   Oxfordshire   1994   Simon Gidman
BRICKHAMPTON COURT   18   6449   Gloucestershire   1995   Simon Gidman
WATERTON PARK   18   6843   West Yorkshire   1995   Simon Gidman
STUDLEY WOOD   18   6722   Oxfordshire   1996   Simon Gidman
VALE ROYAL ABBEY   18      Cheshire   1998   Simon Gidman
COTGRAVE PLACE MASTERS   18   5887   Nottinghamshire   1991   SMALL/GLASGOW/ALLIS
COTGRAVE PLACE OPEN   18   6303   Nottinghamshire   1991   SMALL/GLASGOW/ALLIS
BREEDON PRIORY   18   5777   Leicestershire   1990   SNELL/ASHTON
MID YORKSHIRE   18   6430   West Yorkshire   1993   Steve Marnoch
MOSSOCK HALL   18   6375   Lancashire   1996   Steve Marnoch
LOSTWITHIEL   18   5984   Cornwall   1990   STUART WOOD
BIDFORD GRANGE   18   7233   Warwickshire   1992   SWANN/TILLMAN/GRANGER
STYAL   18   6194   Cheshire   1994   T HOLMES
AYLESBURY GOLF CENTRE   18   5965   Buckinghamshire   1992   T S Benwell
MOATLANDS   18   7060   Kent   1993   T Saito
TALL PINES   18   6100   Somerset   1991   Terry Murray
ISLE OF WEDMORE   18   6006   Somerset   1992   Terry Murray
THE BRISTOL   18   6095   Gloucestershire   1998   Terry Murray
SUDBROOK MANOE   9   4827   Lincolnshire   1991   TIM HUTTON
PORTAL PREMIER   18   6508   Cheshire   1990   TIM ROUSE
RENAISSANCE            2008   Tom Doak
LEEN VALLEY GOLF CENTRE   18   6233   Nottinghamshire   1994   Tom Hodgetts
WINDLESHAM   18   6650   Surrey   1994   Tommy Horton
CELTC MANOR ROMAN   18   7001   Monmouthshire   1995   Trent Jones
CELTIC MANOR COLDRA WOODS   18   4094   Monmouthshire   1995   Trent Jones
CELTIC MANOR 2010   18   7403   Monmouthshire   1999   Trent Jones jnr
WORLDHAM PARK   18   6500   Hampshire   1993   TROTH/WHIDBOURNE
BARKWAY PARK   18   6997   Hertfordshire   1992   Vivienne Saunders
SEDGLEY   9   3150   Staffordshire   1992   W G Cox
WELLOW   27   6000   Hampshire   1991   W WILTSHIRE
BENTON HALL   18   6570   Essex   1993   WALKER / COX
THE ESSEX GOLF COMPLEX   18   6237   Essex   1993   WALKER / COX
SUTTON GREEN   18   6300   Surrey   1994   WALKER/DAVIES
LOCH LOMOND   18   7083   Dunbartonshire   1994   Weiskopf / Morrish
SOUTHERN VALLEY   18   6100   Kent   1999   WELLER/RICHARDSON
FARDEW   9   6208   West Yorkshire   1993   Will Adamson
ROMANBY   18   6663   North Yorkshire   1993   Will Adamson
CROW NEST PARK   9   6020   West Yorkshire   1994   Will Adamson
ROBIN HOOD   18   6937   South Yorkshire   1996   Will Adamson
TEST VALLEY   18   6987   Hampshire   1992   WRIGHT/DUDLEY
FOUR MARKS   9   2077   Hampshire   1994   WRIGHT/FALLOON/WRIGGLESWORTH
LEICESTERSHIRE FOREST   18   6111   Leicestershire   1991   YORK/FIXTER
PAVENHAM PARK   18   6353   Bedfordshire   1994   Zac Thompson
AVISFORD PARK    18   5390   West Sussex   1990   
CADMORE LODGE   9   5129   Herefordshire   1990   
CHIRK   18   7045   Wrexham   1990   
DALSTON HALL   18   5400   Cumbria   1990   
HIGHWORTH   9   6440   Wiltshire   1990   
LIBBATON   18   6494   Devon   1990   
MOSS VALLEY   9   2641   Wrexham   1990   
PERTON PARK   18   6520   Staffordshire   1990   
SEVERN MEADOWS   18   6357   Shropshire   1990   
ST MARYS HOTEL   27   5291   South Glamorgan   1990   
VOGRIE   9      Midlothian   1990   
WAVENDON GOLF CENRE   18   5460   Buckinghamshire   1990   
WHITEHILL   18   6802   Hertfordshire   1990   
BLABY   9   2600   Leicestershire   1991   
BOURN   18   6417   Cambridgeshire   1991   
BRADFORD ON AVON   9      Wiltshire   1991   
BRINSBURY COLLEGE   9      West Sussex   1991   
BURGHILL VALLEY   18   6239   Herefordshire   1991   
COWDENBEATH   18   6100   Fife   1991   
FOREST PARK   27   6660   North Yorkshire   1991   
HEMINGFORD ABBOTS   9   5468   Cambridgeshire   1991   
KINGSWAY GOLF CENTRE   9   2500   Hertfordshire   1991   
MUIRKIRK   9   5366   Ayrshire   1991   
NORTHOLT   9      Middlesex   1991   
RHOSGOCH   9   5078   Powys   1991   
RIVERSIDE   9   5485   Kent   1991   
SAPEY   9   5895   Herefordshire   1991   
SECKFORD   18   5392   Suffolk   1991   
ALSAGER   18   6225   Staffordshire   1992   
BALFRON   18   5903   Stirlingshire   1992   
CLAYS   18   6000   Wrexham   1992   
COCKSFORD   18   5570   North Yorkshire   1992   
EDEN   18   6368   Cumbria   1992   
FINGLE GLEN   9   2466   Devon   1992   
GIGHA   9   5042   Argyll & Bute   1992   
OASTPARK   9   2850   Kent   1992   
PORTHPEAN   18   5210   Cornwall   1992   
PUXTON PARK   18   6600   Somerset   1992   
STONELEIGH DEE PARK   18   6023   Warwickshire   1992   
SULHAM VALLEY   18   6121   Berkshire   1992   
THORNEY PARK   18   5731   Buckinghamshire   1992   
WELLSHURST   18   599   East Sussex   1992   
WHITEFIELDS HOTEL   18   6289   Warwickshire   1992   
BLACKNEST   18   5938   Hampshire   1993   
BLUE MOUNTAIN   18   6097   Berkshire   1993   
BRACKEN GHYLL   18   5310   West Yorkshire   1993   
BRIERLEY FOREST   18   6008   Nottinghamshire   1993   
CHERRY BURTON   9   2278   East Yorkshire   1993   
CLEOBURY MORTIMER   18   6438   Shropshire   1993   
EARLSWOOD   18   5174   West Glamorgan   1993   
FURZELEY   18   4363   Hampshire   1993   
GREAT HADHAM   18   6854   Hertfordshire   1993   
HORSHAM   9   2061   West Sussex   1993   
KILWORTH SPRINGS   18   6718   Leicestershire   1993   
OAKLEAF GOLF COMPLEX   18   5821   Durham   1993   
REDHILL   9   1903   Surrey   1993   
SCARTHINGWELL   18   6642   North Yorkshire   1993   
SHERDONS GOLF CENTRE   9   5308   Gloucestershire   1993   
ST HELENS BAY   18         1993   
ST MARGARETS   18   6900      1993   
SUNBURY   27   5103   Middlesex   1993   
SWARLAND HALL   18   6628   Northumberland   1993   
THE NORFOLK   18   6609   Norfolk   1993   
TOURNERBERRY GOLF CENTRE   9   2956   Hampshire   1993   
VIRGINIA PARK   9   4661   Mid Glamorgan   1993   
WHEATHILL   18   5362   Somerset   1993   
WIDNEY MANOR   18   5284   Warwickshire   1993   
WOLL   9   6408   Borders   1993   
WOODLAKE PARK   18   6300   Monmouthshire   1993   
BRAILSFORD   9   3148   Derbyshire   1994   
BRIDGENT & DISTRICT   9   5192   West Lothian   1994   
CASTLE PARK   18   6121   Lothians   1994   
COED-Y-MWSTWR   12   6144   Mid Glamorgan   1994   
FROME   18      Somerset   1994   
LOCHGOILHEAD   9   1900   Argyll & Bute   1994   
MOUNT MURRAY   18   6664   Isle of Man   1994   
NEWBURY RACECOURSE   18   6311   Berkshire   1994   
NEWENT   9   4200   Gloucestershire   1994   
PARK HILL   18   7219   Leicestershire   1994   
PARK WOOD   18   6573   Kent   1994   
WHITEMOSS   18   6200   Perth & Kinross   1994   
DEANWOOD PARK   9   4230   Berkshire   1995   
DYMOCK GRANGE   9   5392   Gloucestershire   1995   
FOULFORD INN   9      Perth & Kinross   1995   
PARK   9   1907   Hampshire   1995   
REGIMENT WAY GOLF CENTRE   9   4887   Essex   1995   
WELTON MANOR   18   5703   Lincolnshire   1995   
CARUSS GREEN   18   5642   Cumbria   1996   
LES ORMES   9   5018   Channel Islands   1996   
LOCH NESS   18   6772   Inverness   1996   
ELSENHAM GOLF CENTRE   9   5854   Essex   1997   
FAREHAM WOODS   18   5622   Hampshire   1997   
STILTON OAKS   18      Cambridgeshire   1997   
BOYSNOPE PARK   18   6506   Manchester   1998   
CHARMINSTER   18   5467   Dorset   1998   
GLENISLA   18   6402   Perth & Kinross   1998   
LONDON BEACH   9   5860   Kent   1998   
OTTERBOURNE GOLF CENTRE   9   1939   Hampshire   1998   
MOLLINGTON GRANGE   18   6696   Cheshire   1999   
THE CHASE   18   6354   Staffordshire   1999   
A combination of whats good for golf and good for turf.
The Players Club, Cumberwell Park, The Kendleshire, Oake Manor, Dainton Park, Forest Hills, Erlestoke, St Cleres.
www.theplayersgolfclub.com

Ed Tilley

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2014, 05:46:32 AM »
What is Chart Hills like?

I have an old Golf World "Top 1000 courses of GB & I" from, I think 1999. It has courses by county with a bit on every course and a write up of the "best" course in that county. Chart Hills is the "best" course in Kent apparently and 7th in GB & I. There were a number of similar "issues" in some counties but this was far and away the most memorable!

Jonathan Davison

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2014, 05:51:32 AM »
My list would be:

Queenwood
Loch Lomond
Lough Erne

And other mentions would include:

Fota Island
Bunclody Golf & Fishing Club.

Another interesting one was Lough Rynn, a Faldo course in Ireland. I had a walk around the place during construction, looked very good but not sure if it got finished.

Jon Wiggett

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2014, 06:43:44 AM »
Jon - I'd rather play Brahan than most of those as well. So you're not alone.


Thanks Ally :)

Adrian,

wow, what a list. It is an eye opener just how many courses have been built in the last few decades. I wonder how many were built as traditional members clubs (I guess none) and how many have closed?

Jon

David Minogue

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2014, 06:52:02 AM »
Jonathan

Lough Rynn like plenty other projects during the demise of the Celtic Tiger was never finished.

Here's a brief list of projects I know in Ireland of which were never finished or built:

The Marlbrook - European Golf Design / Padraig Harrington
Carrig Glas - Jeff Howes/ Retief Goosen .... which you probably knew quite intimately
Humewood Castle - Kyle Philips
Ashford Castle - Ron Kirby / Gene Bates
Killashee House - Declan / Ronan Branigan
Bellvue Estate - Robert Trent Jones Jr.


Cheers,
David


Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2014, 07:00:20 AM »
Jonathan

Lough Rynn like plenty other projects during the demise of the Celtic Tiger was never finished.

Here's a brief list of projects I know in Ireland of which were never finished or built:

The Marlbrook - European Golf Design / Padraig Harrington
Carrig Glas - Jeff Howes/ Retief Goosen .... which you probably knew quite intimately
Humewood Castle - Kyle Philips
Ashford Castle - Ron Kirby / Gene Bates
Killashee House - Declan / Ronan Branigan
Bellvue Estate - Robert Trent Jones Jr.


Cheers,
David



Think there was another EGD / Woosnam one down near Waterford around the same time...

Killashee House was our final project submission for the EIGCA diploma. So I know the site well.... The Lough Rynn site I saw fully shaped up. Probably still is. All routed round one giant central lake plus a lovely hotel and grounds to boot...

David Minogue

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2014, 07:04:35 AM »
Ally,

That must have been handy having your Master Design Project site on your doorstep!!! Is there anything on the web regarding the routing of Killashee??

Cheers,
David

Thomas Dai

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2014, 07:11:22 AM »
I know where Brian is coming from but an occasional dose of modern inland as a bit of variety can be nice sometimes, and some modern is very well done IMO even though it might not look like or play like all the coures built up to and including the 1930's that we mostly drool over and crave to visit or join.

In addition, although I love my Colts and Fowlers and Braid and Dr MacK's etc etc, the occasional game at a modern brings home just how good the old 'uns really are, and how far the game has progressed, although not necessarily in a direction we'd all like. I woundn't want to play modern all the time though, just like I wouldn't want to play all links or all heathland or all parkland or all desert etc. Done that, and it can get boring after a while, a wee bit of variety is nice.

Some moderns, especially the higher profile ones, are distinctly pricey, OTT pricey probably. However, over the winter period there are a lot of very good deals at moderns, straight-up deals too, no need to use Golfnow or the like, and many of the moderns, particularly I imagine the higher profile ones, have damn fine drainage and USA spec greens etc so are very playable even during a tradional UK winter period.

Which moderns would folk recommend to visit over this winter period taking the quality or the course and the price to play into consideration?

atb


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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2014, 07:54:11 AM »
Quote from: Adrian_Stiff

HILL   18   6053   Essex   1991   Martin Gillett
NAZEING   18   6598   Essex   1992   Martin Gillett
STOCK BROOK MANOR   27   6905   Essex   1992   Martin Gillett
CRONDON PARK   18   6585   Essex   1994   Martin Gillett



Thanks Adrian,  you've reminded me that I've tried and failed to find more about Martin Gillet.  He seems to be Essex based (where my office is)?

I think he also designed Hobbs Cross (which maybe on your list?) which I've praised before, it's where I learned to play and like to go back. It never beats anyone up (they keep rough down), but the interesting greens means a par or better is a result of some good shots and most satisfying.  Played and enjoyed Stock Brook last year (Crondon is less than a mile away and they both call themselves Country Clubs, shows how little importance the name of the Architect has in marketing terms?). Nazeing some years ago left me feeling very mixed.  However I've also seen his name attached to Toot Hill which although I've never played it I'm intrigued. It is the kind of course you never read about on here but everyone who's played it comes back with a very positive report and its No 1 on my local list to get to, ahead of better known courses like South Essex, Colchester etc.




Wanted to share this gem from the Web regarding Stockbrook.

"The course does have some credentials. It was designed by Martin Gillet who also worked on the South Course at Wentworth so there is a glimmer of hope at the very least. "

The author is identified as follows:- "Dom Donaldson is a golfing expert."

Sorry couldn't' help myself.
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Let's make GCA grate again!

Tom Kelly

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Re: Best GB&I inland courses built since circa 1990?
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2014, 08:01:30 AM »
It probably doesn't get much love on here but I did enjoy The Oxfordshire. Very heroic in nature but its hard not to have fun on, 8, 10 or 17 and unlike many modern inlands the wind plays a big part with the open exposed nature of the site which always provides interest. It may have helped that I've shot a few really good scores there.

I haven't seen Queenwood but sense it would probably come out top from the reports I've heard. I'd say Close House, The Grove and The Oxfordshire wouldn't be too far off, The PGA National at the Belfry wasn't too bad from what I remember through the rain storm and the Brabazon has it obvious high points but after that what I've played or seen is struggling.

The problem with all of these are the green fees. I would love to see more low key, cheap-ish/affordable modern courses that provide some interest, most that I've seen on that list are so bland. Maybe Cumberwell and The Players Club might show me otherwise?!

Others that interest me are Heythrop Park, The Bracken at Woodhall Spa, Tylney Park which is perhaps more on the affordable side and the new Centurion Club.

Hopefully in the next few years we will have a few more inland courses that could shake this list up abit?!