[JMEvensky]

I find "Fail Safe" (Sidney Lumet) a much more gripping and satisfying film than Kubrick's "Dr. Strangelove" -- both films based roughly on the same pre-exisiting text, but the former made by a man with heart and the latter by a bratty school-boy.  

 

Has someone stolen your username on GCA? I can't believe you really typed this.

[John Kavanaugh]

The key to your architectural edification will not be found under Doak's nut sack. He's great, we get it.

[Peter Pallotta]

JME - no, it's me alright. But let me say: I loved Dr Strangelove the first time I saw it, and I watched it and loved it for years afterwards. But then I saw "Fail Safe", and watched it again -- and with each passing year (I'm getting older and older) I find the 'intellectualism" of Strangelove less and less appealing and the "sad heart" of Fail Safe more and more appealing, and true.

Peter Sweater-Pants

[Michael Wharton-Palmer]

I see Tom Daok as a Guy Ritchie..more off the cuff, willing to push the envelope and take a totally different approach whilst maintaining all that is good with the finished product.
Ballyneal is the Rocknrolla of the filmography whilast Pascific Dunes and Rennaisance are the two Sherlock Holmes movies, both similar in that they are on links terrain ,but insightfully different.

[John Kavanaugh]

I see Tom Daok as a Guy Ritchie..more off the cuff, willing to push the envelope and take a totally different approach whilst maintaining all that is good with the finished product.
Ballyneal is the Rocknrolla of the filmography whilast Pascific Dunes and Rennaisance are the two Sherlock Holmes movies, both similar in that they are on links terrain ,but insightfully different.

Point proven.

[Paul Gray]

I see Tom Daok as a Guy Ritchie..more off the cuff, willing to push the envelope and take a totally different approach whilst maintaining all that is good with the finished product.
Ballyneal is the Rocknrolla of the filmography whilast Pascific Dunes and Rennaisance are the two Sherlock Holmes movies, both similar in that they are on links terrain ,but insightfully different.

Point proven.

Poor John. Are your team coming second?

[Tom_Doak]

I saw this thread title in the airport in China yesterday and thought that my son, a film student and Tarantino fan, would probably have his head explode if he read it.  The further analogies to other directors might piss him off even more.

In fact, he might go all Tarantino on everybody who posts a comparison between me and any director, so if I were you guys, I would watch my back.

[Bill_McBride]

Kubrick because quasi-intellectuals believe they see the brilliance in it.

Or because the brilliant see quasi-intellectualism in his work.

I find "Fail Safe" (Sidney Lumet) a much more gripping and satisfying film than Kubrick's "Dr. Strangelove" -- both films based roughly on the same pre-exisiting text, but the former made by a man with heart and the latter by a bratty school-boy.  

That's another possible analogy, Sidney Lumet. A true master craftsman.

Sidney Lumet is my favorite director - Dog Day Afternoon, The Verdict, 12 Angry Men! - but Kubrick had Peter Sellers.  Fail-Safe was great but Dr. Strangelove was interstellar.    "You can't fight here, this is the War Room!"

[Peter Pallotta]

Bill - good point. My favourite line (and I can't separate the line from George C Scott's terrific delivery): "I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. What I do say is no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh... depending on the breaks." But on Lumet, besides the one's you've mentioned, just a few more: Network, Serpico., Long Day's Journey into Night, The Pawnbroker, The Hill...movies with heart and soul!

Peter

TD - tell your son (if he'll listen, sons being what they are) to carve out a career much like you did: study, apprentice, and then go out on his own, trying to make films exactly the way he believes they should be made. From years in and around the industry, I can safely say this: while you might have one client telling you what to do (and talking out of his ass), your son will have 20-30 people, all talking out of their asses, telling him what he needs to do to make a script better/make his first film/build a career. As the famous screenwriter William Goldman (All the President's Men, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, the Princess Bride etc etc) famously noted about hollywood: No one knows anything.

[Steve Lang]

  for this travesty thread... perhaps..  "You're going to have to answer to The CocaCola Company"    http://youtu.be/RZ9B7owHxMQ

classic Peters Sellers

http://youtu.be/5uCIxFizWb


QT dropped out of high school but seems to have done quite well by making and following his own path like TD...

[Steve Okula]

Kubrick, Lumet, Ford, Polanski, Spiellberg, Lucas, Marshall, Howard, Altman, etc. all make Tarantino look like a clown with what he's been doing the past fifteen years.

You couldn't say the same about any list of prominent architects and Doak.

[Steve Okula]

I saw this thread title in the airport in China yesterday and thought that my son, a film student and Tarantino fan, would probably have his head explode if he read it.  The further analogies to other directors might piss him off even more.

In fact, he might go all Tarantino on everybody who posts a comparison between me and any director, so if I were you guys, I would watch my back.

"...go all Tarantino on everybody..."?

What's that? Will he put us in a stupid movie?

[Tom_Doak]

"...go all Tarantino on everybody..."?

What's that? Will he put us in a stupid movie?

I was thinking more of one of those stylized, bloody fight sequences.

[JMEvensky]

"...go all Tarantino on everybody..."?

What's that? Will he put us in a stupid movie?

I was thinking more of one of those stylized, bloody fight sequences.

Brauer will be highly pissed if you cast him as The Gimp.

[Jeff Taylor]

"That's right sir. You are the only person authorized to do so. And although I hate to judge before all the facts are in, it's beginning to look like General Ripper exceeded his authority."

Classic.

[Jeff_Brauer]

Jeff,

Not sure what that means, but I doubt I would be either cast, or pissed.

Regarding QT's Django, which starts with a German living in TX escorting slaves, right after seeing that movie, I was on a back roads drive near Kerrville and stumbled upon the remains of that settlement, now called Center Point TX on maps.  So, while the movie got crazy violent, at least it had some historical merit to start.

[Sean_A]

Steve - yes, but I was thinking of other parallels (probably before Matthew's time, and mine too), i.e. the kind of directors that elevated/perfected the genre picture and that became the darlings of media and of the cognoscenti (at least in France!) -- e.g. Howard Hawks, John Ford.

Peter

Pietro

What are the 10 films you would most want to in the company of others...the kicker is you must think the others will enjoy the films.

Ciao 

[John_Cullum]

I thought we had already established that Tom Doak was Hank Morgan.

[Peter Pallotta]

Sean - I think you meant to write what 10 films "you would most want to watch in the company of others"...with others liking them too. If so, I will have to pick the one's I think most vivid and engaging for a wider audience (so, for example, a real 'guy's picture' like Hawks' "Rio Bravo" doesn't make it.) And I assumed since you quoted the post you were thinking of Hawks and Ford.

Hawks: The Big Sleep, His Girl Friday, Red River, and (maybe not to everyone's tastes) Sergeant York, and Bringing Up Baby.
Ford: The Searchers, Stagecoach, The Quiet Man, The Grapes of Wrath, Young Mr Lincoln, My Darling Clementine, Mister Roberts, and (maybe not to everyone's tastes) The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.

Okay, if I had to limit them to 10:

The Searchers
The Big Sleep
Red River
His Girl Friday
Stagecoach
The Grapes of Wrath
Sergeant York
The Quiet Man
My Darling Clementine
Mister Roberts

Stars, like great golf holes, are important, eh? John Wayne, Montgomery Clift, Henry Fonda, Humphrey Bogart, Cary Grant, Gary Cooper.

Also, I don't think TD is like Frank Capra (though he might be) -- but if I said Frank Capra I could've picked 8 must-see-by-all films just from him. An outstanding career!

It Happened One Night   
Mr. Deeds Goes to Town      
Lost Horizon      
You Can't Take It With You    
Mr. Smith Goes to Washington      
Meet John Doe   
Arsenic and Old Lace
It's a Wonderful Life

Funny, it strikes me that when you said that others had to like the films too, I automatically cut out some of my favourites by some of the best directors, e.g.

Francis Coppola - The Conversation, Apocalypse Now, (of course) Godfather I and Godfather II
Martin Scorcese - Mean Streets, Ranging Bull, Taxi Driver
John Cassavetes - Killing of a Chinese Bookie, Husbands, Women Under the Influence
Sam Peckinpah - Ride the High Country, The Wild Bunch

[Sam Morrow]

When I met Tarantino I found him very full of himself and he wanted everyone to know he was the smartest person in the room.

[Marty Bonnar]

Martin Scorcese - Ranging Bull

Oh, I loved that one too. Wasn't that the one with the scene where the little guy who drives the cart that collects the balls from the range, after years and years of being the target for countless golfers, finally stops the cart in the middle of the range and leaps out, screaming:
"You hookin' at me? YOU HOOKIN' AT ME!!!???"

Sorry,
Best,
F.

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