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Marc Haring

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Fun Courses article.
« on: March 29, 2017, 04:18:04 AM »
http://www.bunkered.co.uk/golf-news/fun-courses-are-the-best-courses


Don't know if I've seen many articles like this in the mainstream golf media but refreshing to see. He even mentions Dunbar as being one of his favourite courses.

David_Tepper

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Re: Fun Courses article.
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2017, 09:30:09 AM »
« Last Edit: March 29, 2017, 10:24:10 AM by David_Tepper »

MCirba

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Re: Fun Courses article.
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2017, 10:40:42 AM »
The most Fun Private courses listing is quite good with a number of surprises in there.   Thanks for sharing.
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Andy Smith

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Re: Fun Courses article.
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2017, 12:37:31 PM »
This is so true. There are some courses which just put a smile on your face and often are not long and are just great and quirky. I love Huntercombe near Henley in UK as quirky and lots of innovation at the time in the design by Willie Park. Having seen that thread on Arrowtown in NZ, I am gutted I didn't play it on my two visits to the region as I was wooed by the newer ones nearby with more PR (which were still great). Enodoc is pretty fun compared to other equally well known courses. Having read Tom Doak's UK confidential guide a number of times this last year (the gourmet section esp!) I am looking forward to playing Painswick, Royal Worlington & Newmarket, and some others in the UK and beyond to see if they have some of that sense of fun! Recommendations in UK gratefully received as easier to get to on a Friday or weekend!



Ted Sirbaugh

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Re: Fun Courses article.
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2017, 01:34:13 PM »
I wish they would do the Most Fun lists as regularly as they do the other lists... it really highlights some great courses that are otherwise overlooked in the Top 100 list

MClutterbuck

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Re: Fun Courses article.
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2017, 06:38:43 PM »
I wish they would do the Most Fun lists as regularly as they do the other lists... it really highlights some great courses that are otherwise overlooked in the Top 100 list


How can somebody seriously rank the par 3 course at ANGC above the big course for fun? It is certainly not better architecture, nor less penal, and probably not easier for the mid-high handicap. Unless you play it after lunch and have too much wine with it, I cant see how it is more fun than repeating the back 9 at the big course.




Peter Pallotta

Re: Fun Courses article.
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2017, 08:51:41 PM »
I know that I'm in the minority on this, and I fear that it may reflect some psychological problem, but I have no interest in playing a purposely-built or (worse) self proclaimed "fun" golf course. The game of golf is fun, all on its own - especially on a wonderful golf course that's challenging and lovely and varied and smart. But put the *focus* on fun and I start feeling as if I'm being confronted by a mime on the corner of 5th Avenue and 22nd Street, making all sorts of gestures and almost demanding that I pay attention to him and have "fun". It's like having a clown around your house constantly shrieking "Are you having FUN?" all day long.
I know, my problem...

Tom_Doak

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Re: Fun Courses article.
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2017, 10:23:15 PM »
Peter:


Two threads in three days where we depart?  Are you doing okay?


Tom D


PS The list of 20 UK courses is spot on!  The list of 50 US courses is hopelessly politically correct.  And really, they got the numbers backwards:  everyone knows golf in the UK is more fun!

Jim Nugent

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Re: Fun Courses article.
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2017, 10:33:35 PM »
Does Cruden Bay belong on the GBI list?

Peter Pallotta

Re: Fun Courses article.
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2017, 10:43:46 PM »
 :D
That's funny.

Tom - I know I shouldn't let such things bother me, but that list of fun US privates was absurd -- the most ridiculous such list I think I've ever seen. It should've been called: "The top 50 Privates in America *not* named Pine Valley"; that's all it actually was.

The halfhearted, banal and belated attempt from yet another media outlet to jump onto the "fun" bandwagon not only rubs me the wrong way (because it is insincere) but also I think does a disservice to golf course architecture (because it is inaccurate).

Riviera, Ballyneal, Sand Hills, Garden City, Prairie Dunes, Cypress....these are great and *highly individual* golf courses -- and, because they adhere to/manifest some classic gca principles, they *happen* to be fun.

The implicit 'straw course' involved here - i.e. some monstrous Trent Jones revised US Open layout from the 1950s - is not one that anyone at Golf Digest has played -- or at at least *ranked highly* -- in 30 years. And Golf Digest were the ones that would've ranked it highly in the first place!
« Last Edit: March 29, 2017, 10:49:05 PM by Peter Pallotta »

Marc Haring

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Re: Fun Courses article.
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2017, 03:37:18 AM »
Going back to the original article, there are some good words here on what constitutes fun.




In the context of golf course design, a ‘simple’ approach doesn’t always yield an ‘easy’ course. Good design is smart design.
It doesn’t rely on gimmicks or trickery because it doesn’t need to.
It understands that creating a course designed to punish the wayward shots of a 14-time major winner shows a staggering level of ignorance to the requirements of the masses.
It understands that ‘fun’ doesn’t necessarily mean breaking 70 but, instead, creates enjoyment and an urge to play another 18, and another 18, and another 18.
It understands that the best view in the world is scant consolation for losing a sleeve of balls on each nine.
It recognises that length scares nobody but, instead, only succeeds in inhibiting enjoyment.
It knows that golf is an inherently simple game that, in the wrong hands, can become an elaborately complicated monster of Frankenstein proportions.





Also


[/size]What makes a golf course ‘fun’? That, naturally, is entirely subjective. For me, it’s mostly about playability, and that relies on sensible design and set-ups that encourage creativity. I have zero interest in 250-yard carries and hacking around in shin-high rough. I’m not sure anybody does, not even the pros who are forced to endure these bland, devoid-of-imagination slogs most weeks. Instead, give me a course I can play. I’m not asking for it to be fair. I’m just asking for it not to be unfair. There is a difference.

Thomas Dai

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Re: Fun Courses article.
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2017, 03:58:05 AM »
Most fun privates - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bhY-Y0I8DkY - apologies folks, couldn't resist :)


Suggestions welcome for most fun Corporals, Sergeants, Captains, Majors etc...excluding any candidates from Walmington-on-Sea.


Being serious for a (brief) moment, good post, fun in golf can involve a lot more than just the alledged quality of the course.


Atb

Sean_A

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Re: Fun Courses article.
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2017, 04:07:50 AM »
Pietro

I think your worries are misplaced.  Its difficult for me to imagine a fun course which isn't good. 

The 20 GB&I courses is good, but I would lose

Nefyn, Crail, The Island and Golspie for

Kington, Peranporth, Pennard and Cruden Bay

I trust folks see the pattern of mainly links being named.  It really is difficult to recreate the fun on inland courses found more naturally on links.


Ciao
« Last Edit: March 30, 2017, 04:10:27 AM by Sean_A »
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Marc Haring

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Re: Fun Courses article.
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2017, 05:00:10 AM »
Yes was thinking of Parranporth and Pennard Sean. Maybe Burnham and Berrow Channel course as well.

jeffwarne

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Re: Fun Courses article.
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2017, 08:17:26 AM »
:D
That's funny.

Tom - I know I shouldn't let such things bother me, but that list of fun US privates was absurd -- the most ridiculous such list I think I've ever seen. It should've been called: "The top 50 Privates in America *not* named Pine Valley"; that's all it actually was.




As I read that list (50 Fun privates you'll never play) I could see Judge Smails saying "afterwards Buffy,we'll have Manhattens on the porch, and it will be fun"
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

jeffwarne

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Re: Fun Courses article.
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2017, 08:29:47 AM »
I know that I'm in the minority on this, and I fear that it may reflect some psychological problem, but I have no interest in playing a purposely-built or (worse) self proclaimed "fun" golf course. The game of golf is fun, all on its own - especially on a wonderful golf course that's challenging and lovely and varied and smart. But put the *focus* on fun and I start feeling as if I'm being confronted by a mime on the corner of 5th Avenue and 22nd Street, making all sorts of gestures and almost demanding that I pay attention to him and have "fun". It's like having a clown around your house constantly shrieking "Are you having FUN?" all day long.
I know, my problem...


To some degree I get this post, and my first response to the original article was "Why do "fun" courses need to be specifically pointed out?
Have we really slipped that far? Maybe they're just more enjpyable, and therefore better.


I.e. I see North Berwick as a "better" course than Muirfield (which I do given the knee high rough that was presented when I played)
and I see Pennard as a "better" course than Troon
and for that matter ANGC , NGLA, and Eastward Ho as "better" courses than Pine Valley-by a lot



« Last Edit: March 30, 2017, 08:32:55 AM by jeffwarne »
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

MCirba

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Re: Fun Courses article.
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2017, 08:49:11 AM »
Peter,


You're no fun anymore.  ;)



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Jon Wiggett

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Re: Fun Courses article.
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2017, 12:40:38 PM »

Pietro

I think your worries are misplaced.  Its difficult for me to imagine a fun course which isn't good. 

The 20 GB&I courses is good, but I would lose

Nefyn, Crail, The Island and Golspie for

Kington, Peranporth, Pennard and Cruden Bay

I trust folks see the pattern of mainly links being named.  It really is difficult to recreate the fun on inland courses found more naturally on links.


Ciao


I was surprised to see The Island in a fun course list as though it is of high quality I think many would find it too demanding. I have not played Kington so cannot comment but I think Golspie has a far wider kerb appeal than the other three good though they are.


Jon

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