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Matt Bosela

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Re: OK so I just got the new Confidential Guide...
« Reply #50 on: November 04, 2014, 09:39:30 AM »
Still patiently waiting for my copy - perhaps stuck at the border coming into Canada.  Looking forward to diving in when it arrives...

Matt,

My copy arrived this morning, so expect yours soon.

TK

Hmmm - still waiting here but trying to stay patient! 

I'm a bit worried that on the purchase confirmation email, it indicated "US" as the shipping destination instead of Canada but the order receipt email had everything correct.  Needless to say, if this ended up in the US pile by accident, the book will likely be sitting at the border without customs paperwork.  I sent an email to Brian just to make sure...

Shane Wright

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Re: OK so I just got the new Confidential Guide...
« Reply #51 on: November 04, 2014, 11:13:36 AM »
I have only glanced once at the original Confidential Guide, but never read it.  I didn't have much of a basis for opinion going into receiving the current Confidential Guide in the mail.  But I was certainly excited to receive it.

Here are my comments:

1. Maybe the summaries have been softened from the original, but I don't really see them as all that controversial, just honest (I'm about half way thru reading it).  But I was surprised (based on what I've read here), as I was expecting much harsher criticisms.

2. This book has to be a dream for some of the lesser known courses. Seeing a Doak 5 or 6 with 2 or 3 very unique holes and awesome views will now jump up on my priority list for subsequent trips.

3. It's definitely not a picture book.  You may need to set aside your ADD or desire for Golf porn and just focus a little harder on the reading. But the reading is very fun and hard to put down.

4. I really like the golf hole diagrams.  The one of #4 at TOC really brought me back to a great memory of the hole, more so than pictures would have done

5. I would have liked to have seen a simple routing (lines only would have sufficed) for the Gourmet Choice section.  I have seen many of the courses, but for the ones I haven't, comparing the summaries with the routing would have given the summaries much more context.  

6. It's a sin I have not spent any time playing in England yet.
 
7. Love the maps with locations of the courses


Great work to all involved.  I can't wait to read the entire set.  Now I just need to figure out how and when to get to all these special places.
I am excited to take this first volume along with True Links by George Peper and plan some fantastic future trips.

Shane
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Eric Smith

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Re: OK so I just got the new Confidential Guide...
« Reply #52 on: November 04, 2014, 12:57:45 PM »
I've been reading it now for a few days and nights and I have to say that I am really enjoying it. I love this book!!

John Kavanaugh

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Re: OK so I just got the new Confidential Guide...
« Reply #53 on: November 04, 2014, 01:09:35 PM »
Still haven't got the courage up to unpack mine.

Jay Carstens

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Re: OK so I just got the new Confidential Guide...
« Reply #54 on: November 04, 2014, 01:15:25 PM »
My signed copy arrived in pristine condition yesterday.  Thank you to Tom and everybody involved with making this happen.  ;)
Play the course as you find it

Bill_McBride

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Re: OK so I just got the new Confidential Guide...
« Reply #55 on: November 04, 2014, 06:31:35 PM »
I have only glanced once at the original Confidential Guide, but never read it.  I didn't have much of a basis for opinion going into receiving the current Confidential Guide in the mail.  But I was certainly excited to receive it.

Here are my comments:

1. Maybe the summaries have been softened from the original, but I don't really see them as all that controversial, just honest (I'm about half way thru reading it).  But I was surprised (based on what I've read here), as I was expecting much harsher criticisms.

2. This book has to be a dream for some of the lesser known courses. Seeing a Doak 5 or 6 with 2 or 3 very unique holes and awesome views will now jump up on my priority list for subsequent trips.

3. It's definitely not a picture book.  You may need to set aside your ADD or desire for Golf porn and just focus a little harder on the reading. But the reading is very fun and hard to put down.

4. I really like the golf hole diagrams.  The one of #4 at TOC really brought me back to a great memory of the hole, more so than pictures would have done

5. I would have liked to have seen a simple routing (lines only would have sufficed) for the Gourmet Choice section.  I have seen many of the courses, but for the ones I haven't, comparing the summaries with the routing would have given the summaries much more context.  

6. It's a sin I have not spent any time playing in England yet.
 
7. Love the maps with locations of the courses


Great work to all involved.  I can't wait to read the entire set.  Now I just need to figure out how and when to get to all these special places.
I am excited to take this first volume along with True Links by George Peper and plan some fantastic future trips.

Shane


I'm with you on #5.  It's what hooked me on the World Atlas of Golf many years ago.   And those had an illustrated, 3-D look. 

Yes, you do need to get to England, really more links courses than Scotland I think. 

David_Tepper

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Re: OK so I just got the new Confidential Guide...
« Reply #56 on: November 04, 2014, 06:44:02 PM »
"Still haven't got the courage up to unpack mine."

John K. -

Be sure to let us know when you do. All 1,499 of us are on pins & needles waiting to find out. ;)

DT

Tom_Doak

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Re: OK so I just got the new Confidential Guide...
« Reply #57 on: November 04, 2014, 07:12:30 PM »
Still haven't got the courage up to unpack mine.

As Dan Rather used to say [briefly, until they gave him crap for it]:  Courage!

JBovay

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Re: OK so I just got the new Confidential Guide...
« Reply #58 on: November 04, 2014, 07:49:53 PM »
I read a bit of mine over the weekend, but will have to postpone a complete reading for several years until I start planning my next golf trip to GB/I.

In the meantime, congratulations to everyone involved for producing such a beautiful book!

Nobody around here needs to be told how good Tom or Ran is at writing about golf courses, but I would like to share that my wife (who needed to see what all the fuss was about) quickly praised Tom's clear and meaningful writing.

The book (which is much larger than I expected) is beautifully laid out, thanks to Tom's wife, Jennifer.

The decision to use photographs of less-recognizable holes and courses was a great one.

I'd also like to particularly commend Angela Moser for her diagrams. Hope she becomes the next Gil Hanse!

Dave McCollum

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Re: OK so I just got the new Confidential Guide...
« Reply #59 on: November 04, 2014, 09:33:54 PM »
When I got my original copy, I read it from cover to cover in one night.  And then used it as reference from time to time as the need arose.  This time I just thumbed through it and expect to read at a much more leisurely pace.  I'm busy with golf during the best times to travel to GB&I, so I don't know when or if I'll ever get back.  I know a few guys that would like to visit Ireland and I'd love to be their guide, but between the retired guys getting body parts replaced and the guys still working, it's hard to put together.

I'll be much more interested in warm destinations in North America.  Someplace I can go when we're playing on frozen tundra or dodging snow banks, if not completely shut down.  Hope it doesn't take a year for that volume to come out.  Also hope I'm not one of those guys getting their knees and hips replaced and just have to read it by the fire.  There are much worse possibilities, as well. 

Good job on the book by Tom and his crew.  On a quick scan it seems a bit mellower and less edgy, and more of a celebration of good golf.   Or maybe that's just my take as a full fledged geezer and that I'm just flapping my jaw to see if I get a gold star when I get to 500 posts. 

I'm happy more folks will get the chance to read this wonderful book.  Anyone know how many were printed this time around?       

Mark Hissey

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Re: OK so I just got the new Confidential Guide...
« Reply #60 on: November 05, 2014, 10:40:33 PM »
I just got it. Fantastic, just as I expected. I'm going to take my time reading every little bit of it.

When is volume 2 coming out?

Tim_Weiman

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Re: OK so I just got the new Confidential Guide...
« Reply #61 on: November 06, 2014, 12:05:56 AM »
Shane Wright:

Actually, your post reminds me of the original Confidential Guide. It wasn't a picture book. It was all about the writing. Specifically, I think Tom taught us that presenting a description of each hole wasn't really the best way to write about a golf course. Instead, Tom demonstrated the art of succinctly summing up what was noteworthy about each golf course. Tough thing to do. Tom did it so well.
Tim Weiman

Thomas Dai

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Re: OK so I just got the new Confidential Guide...
« Reply #62 on: November 06, 2014, 03:31:51 AM »
Very envious of those who've received there's. Looking forward to getting and reading mine from cover-to-cover plus seeing 'my' photo in print!
atb

Ryan Coles

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Re: OK so I just got the new Confidential Guide...
« Reply #63 on: November 06, 2014, 07:04:53 AM »
Never saw the original but I don't think anyone will be disappointed, other than if their favourites don't get the score they think it merits, which is part of the fun.

Really hits the nail on the head for most, is harsh on some, generous on others and non existent on one or two that leaves you questioning what the point in inclusion was ( Ferndown 3 secretary wanted to charge to walk the course in 1983 and no ones been back since).

Best review was of Hankley Common, hope they read it.

Only criticism is gratuitously dropping renaissance club into too many lists at the back of the book and too many courses marked too closely together as "about the average of those listed in the book".

Tom_Doak

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Re: OK so I just got the new Confidential Guide...
« Reply #64 on: November 06, 2014, 07:10:29 AM »
Only criticism is gratuitously dropping renaissance club into too many lists at the back of the book and too many courses marked too closely together as "about the average of those listed in the book".

I think The Renaissance Club is the best conditioned course in Scotland, and that it has several really outstanding holes.  So sue me.

As for the latter comment, well, a lot of courses are 5's and not many are 9's and 10's.  Sure, some 5's are more fun than others, but that's largely up to the individual, and we don't try to draw distinctions that aren't there.

Rich Goodale

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Re: OK so I just got the new Confidential Guide...
« Reply #65 on: November 06, 2014, 07:18:12 AM »
Still haven't got the courage up to unpack mine.

As Dan Rather used to say [briefly, until they gave him crap for it]:  Courage!

.......or, "What's the frequency, Kenneth?"
Life is good.

Any afterlife is unlikely and/or dodgy.

Jean-Paul Parodi

Colin Macqueen

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Re: OK so I just got the new Confidential Guide...
« Reply #66 on: November 06, 2014, 07:52:48 AM »
Tom,

As Dan Rather used to say [briefly, until they gave him crap for it]:  Courage!

Or as my old man used to say whenever life presented difficulties ....."Corragio"

Cheers Colin
"Golf, thou art a gentle sprite, I owe thee much"
The Hielander

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