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Dan Moore

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Chicago Aerial: Langford Moreau's Bryn Mawr Country Club
« on: August 25, 2014, 08:30:04 PM »
Its been awhile since I did one of these.  The original design of this course had the unusual combination of 7 par 3's, 4 par 4's and 7 par 5's.  Today it has 5 par 3's, 8 par 4's and 5 par 5's.  May the forse be with you.



And in 2005.



2013 Showing the Renovation Work in Progress
« Last Edit: August 26, 2014, 12:45:35 PM by Dan Moore »
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Andrew Buck

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Re: Chicago Aerial
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2014, 08:36:44 PM »
Bryn mawr CC.

Andrew Buck

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Re: Chicago Aerial
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2014, 08:42:54 PM »
Also, this looks remarkably close to current routing, what year is that from.

Adam Clayman

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Re: Chicago Aerial
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2014, 08:43:46 PM »
I can make out the face of a man on the far right border, up about 1/2 way up the page. And of course, there's the Playboy bunny ears, just over the top of the head of the man.
 
« Last Edit: August 25, 2014, 08:45:39 PM by Adam Clayman »
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J_ Crisham

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Re: Chicago Aerial
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2014, 09:21:03 PM »
Every hole is dead straight

John Connolly

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Re: Chicago Aerial
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2014, 12:08:22 AM »
I've played it several times - right by my house. A lot of fun - exceedingly good green complexes. Excellent conditioning. Over treed of course - chicago area parkland course so it's kind of the law. Nice post Dan.
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William_G

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Re: Chicago Aerial
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2014, 12:50:46 AM »
Fun Dan!
It's all about the golf!

John McCarthy

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Re: Chicago Aerial
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2014, 11:48:44 AM »
Dan:

Where did you get the old aerial?  I am trying to find an aerial on the old Lincoln Park course at Diversey and came up empty.
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Andrew Buck

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Re: Chicago Aerial
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2014, 12:21:12 PM »
really cool how much Langford & Moreau shine through the original photo.  Hopefully the restoration/renovation brought much of that back out. 

Terry Lavin

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Re: Chicago Aerial
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2014, 12:27:59 PM »
really cool how much Langford & Moreau shine through the original photo.  Hopefully the restoration/renovation brought much of that back out. 

Nagle's work certainly added angles, protruding bunkers perpendicular to lines of play and some centerline bunkers as well.  They didn't mess with the greens except to expand to recapture lost space and in a couple instances, I think they made some greens smaller to better reflect the original intent of the architect.  The result is a fun and playable golf course with some challenging greens.  They've made a decent initial effort at tree removal, but they could take out another 500 trees as far as I'm concerned.  Too many cottonwoods, spruce/pine and other undesirable species to my eye.
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Dan Moore

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Re: Chicago Aerial
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2014, 12:37:15 PM »
Here is a copy of Langford Moreau's original plan showing 7 par 5's and 7 par 3's for Bryn Mawr Country Club in Lincolnwood. I'm not 100% sure it opened with that unusual configuration.  Course opened around 1921 so was an early example of L/M.  A tight flat property the profile of the features is not as dramatic as seen on later courses yet quite intriguing how they added low key contours around the push up greens. 



Ron Forse and Jim Nagle recently completed a complete bunker renovation which restored many L/M strategies and included a fair amount of tree removal. Playing angles, corridors and aesthetics have been dramatically improved. I am in agreement with Terry that tree removal could go much further.

Here is an example on the third hole. More to come. 

Before from fairway.


After from fairway showing restoration of a quite interesting right hand fairway bunker.



Before around green.


After around green showing removal of unoriginal bunkers and restoration of contours around the approach.



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Andrew Buck

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Re: Chicago Aerial: Langford Moreau's Bryn Mawr Country Club
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2014, 12:42:13 PM »
That short right fairway bunker screams L&M.

It certainly seems by the time your original aerial was taken, 10 had been shortened to allow 11 to play as a short par 4, and #3 had been extended to a short par 4. 

Would have been a couple brute par 3's in 1920. 

BCowan

Re: Chicago Aerial: Langford Moreau's Bryn Mawr Country Club
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2014, 12:54:59 PM »
Dan,

   Thanks for posting.  Are there any plans of taking the pond out on #14?  I'm guessing that was dug out in the 70's or 80's? 

Andrew Buck

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Re: Chicago Aerial: Langford Moreau's Bryn Mawr Country Club
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2014, 01:07:01 PM »
almost certainly an irrigation pond. 

Dan Moore

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Re: Chicago Aerial: Langford Moreau's Bryn Mawr Country Club
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2014, 01:34:09 PM »
Andrew,

While the 3rd hole was a par 4 in 1938, I don't think #10 was changed at all since it still plays as a 237 yard par 3 over water. 

10 Before


10 After-note tree removal left of green.


From the right of the green showing some of the greenside contours.
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Dan Moore

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Re: Chicago Aerial: Langford Moreau's Bryn Mawr Country Club
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2014, 01:40:43 PM »
Ben,

I doubt the pond on 14 is coming out, but I'd like to see the willow go.

Before


After
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Craig Disher

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Re: Chicago Aerial
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2014, 01:47:23 PM »
Dan:

Where did you get the old aerial?  I am trying to find an aerial on the old Lincoln Park course at Diversey and came up empty.

John - Have you tried here:

http://crystal.isgs.uiuc.edu/nsdihome/webdocs/ilhap/

Andrew Buck

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Re: Chicago Aerial: Langford Moreau's Bryn Mawr Country Club
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2014, 02:46:02 PM »
Dan,

You may be right in regards to 10.  I was remembering it more in the 215 - 220 range from the back, but it's been several years.  Tough to tell from the various aerials and original routing map, but it didn't seem there would have been room to squeeze a tee behind 10 and left of 7 with the original green location. 

John McCarthy

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Re: Chicago Aerial: Langford Moreau's Bryn Mawr Country Club
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2014, 02:48:35 PM »
Dan:  Perfect.  No 70 is the one I think.  You can see Waveland on the aerial above it, and use Wrigley as a landmark.  
The only way of really finding out a man's true character is to play golf with him. In no other walk of life does the cloven hoof so quickly display itself.
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Phil McDade

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Re: Chicago Aerial: Langford Moreau's Bryn Mawr Country Club
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2014, 05:52:21 PM »
Students of Langford/Moreau, and those interested in their work, would do well to study that drawing of the course that Dan posted, notably the "card of course." The seemingly odd arrangement of seven par 5s and 3s really does reflect Langford's emphasis on presenting varied shot values to the golfer during the round -- he was more interested in testing a player's ability to use a variety of clubs when hitting into greens than he was in adhering to conventional notions of par, or hole assortments.

Look at those par 5s (remember this was a course opened in the early 1920s): two very healthy holes of 543 and 550 yards, three-shot holes for any player of the day. Yet he also provides five par 5s under 480 yards -- four of them 460 yards or less -- short even for 1920-era courses. He envisioned the better player going at those holes with long irons and woods for the second shot, as opposed to the traditional par-5 tactic of tee shot/layup/short iron. Even the lesser player is likely to have a go at a par 5 in two with holes playing at 450 to 455 yards. Yet short-irons and wedges will be used by players unable to reach the green in two for the longer par 5s, and perhaps even the 478-yarder.

And look at the assortment of par 3s -- yardages run: 120, 140, 160, 180, 200, 220 and 240 (!). Back in the 1920s, that's everything from a short-iron to a driver perhaps. Anyone who's played the par 3 5th at Langford's Spring Valley (Salem WI) will recognize the 10th at Bryn Mawr -- a long, testing shot with a wood of some sort over a pond.

There is even a funky, Sahara like 302-yard par 4 (the 7th) that vaguely recalls Spring Valley's 14th hole.

Neat stuff; thanks for posting.






Andrew Buck

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Re: Chicago Aerial: Langford Moreau's Bryn Mawr Country Club
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2014, 06:00:14 PM »
I'd guess 240 should be a driver for 80% of players today. 

Russ Arbuthnot

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Re: Chicago Aerial: Langford Moreau's Bryn Mawr Country Club
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2014, 07:18:13 PM »
I can make out the face of a man on the far right border, up about 1/2 way up the page. And of course, there's the Playboy bunny ears, just over the top of the head of the man.
 
What's the story with the face and the bunny ears? Once you see the face, it's kinda creepy.

Dan Moore

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Re: Chicago Aerial: Langford Moreau's Bryn Mawr Country Club
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2014, 12:57:14 PM »

2nd Tee Shot Before
 

2nd Tee Shot After


2nd Approach Before


2nd Approach After
 

6th 205 yard par 3 Before


6th 205 yard par 3 After (note removal of large tree to right)


7th Before


7th After


11 Tee Shot Before



11 Tee Shot After

 
11 Approach Before


11 Approach After (restored left hand bunker)


16 152 yard par 3 Before


16 152 yard par 3 After (Restored Bunkers on right and Judicious Tree Removal)


18 Before


18 After (note restored where cart path and trees were located before)

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Andrew Buck

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Re: Chicago Aerial: Langford Moreau's Bryn Mawr Country Club
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2014, 01:20:14 PM »
Great pics ... love that the tree on 6 was gone. 

Can't way to get back, hopefully next year. 

cary lichtenstein

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Re: Chicago Aerial: Langford Moreau's Bryn Mawr Country Club
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2014, 08:44:19 PM »
My dad was a member. Played it dozens of times. Way too many trees. The old pictures looked GREAT
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

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