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Mark Saltzman

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I have to admit that when I decided to take a short trip through Alabama and Tennessee, Black Creek Club just outside of Chattanooga was not at the top of my priority list of courses to see.  I knew I wanted to see Shoal Creek, I knew I had to get to the roller coaster that is Lookout Mountain and even moreso hoped to visit Holston Hills with a fellow GCAer, but after that I was somewhat indifferent between the likes of Country Club of Birmingham, Chattanooga G&CC and Black Creek Club.  Truthfully, I arranged my games at the other two first given my general bias for classic over modern, but with respect to the bigger names in Chattanooga and Birmingham (The Honors included), Black Creek is the best course in either city.  From start to finish the golfer is confronted with cleverly placed and very deep fairway bunkers that mean most every tee shot requires consideration and reward is given to the golfer willing to challenge a hazard.  Even on holes where the land offers little, like the first or fourth, the golfer is always forced to consider his route to the hole.  Rarely is the golfer forced to take on the trouble, but he is always better off having done so.

I haven't mentioned it yet, and I'm sure most already know, but this Brian Silva creation is designed as a modern-day interpretation of the MacDonald/Raynor/Banks template golf course.  Inevitably the comparison is going to be made between Silva's work and the template courses across the United States and while Black Creek may not fair well against the likes of The National or Fishers Island, it would fit well into the venerable trio's portfolio.

Critics will undoubtedly point to the fact that Black Creek is a residential development and, at times, the corridors feel constrained by homes on both sides.  They'll further argue that the routing, with the occasional long transition and road crossing, holds the course back as it loses the sense of intimacy so often found on great golf courses.  I find it hard to argue either point but, for mine, these negatives are more than outweighed by the consistent quality of the holes -- I'll take a little burning in my legs for the excitement of playing Black Creek!

Holes to Note

Hole 1: Par 4, 421 Yards - Double Plateau

An excellent introduction to the golf course as deep, staggered fairway bunkers jut well into the fairway giving the golfer a second thought before immediately reaching for his driver.  The angle of approach and scoring average will vary depending on the pin's location on this faithfully built Double Plateau green.




Hole 2: Par 4, 445 Yards - Obar Spring

Despite the hole's name, those familiar with template holes will immediately recognize the second at Black Creek as the Road template.  A fair amount of width is given from the tee but the challenge of finding the narrow and angled green over the Road bunker is tremendous.




Hole 3: Par 3, 165 Yards - Short

The downhill par-3 3rd is what I would call a watered-down version of the Short.  Yes, the hole is surrounded by bunkers and it has the trademark 'thumbprint' green, but neither is sufficiently severe to give the sense of fear required for missing in the wrong place.




Hole 4: Par 5, 586 Yards - Lookout

Some par-5s, like the 11th at The Honors, are made great by their green complexes.  Such is the case with the 4th at Black Creek, whose tee shot is generally uninteresting but the decision of where to lay-up on the second and the resulting approach to the green make the hole.  Does the golfer play his second using a long club to a narrow portion of the fairway, or does he take the shorter route to the hole leaving a frightening angle of approach over a deep, 10,000 sq ft surface area bunker.




Hole 6: Par 5, 559 Yards - Punchbowl

After the fantastic Maiden green at the 5th, the golfer is both confused and awestruck by the site of a 30 foot high mound crossing the width of the fairway.  While the hole can't compete with the views of the Alps/Punchbowl 4th hole at Fishers Island, it is equally thrilling having your approach shot clear the mound and scampering to the other side to see where it finished on the almost 14,000 square foot punchbowl green.




Hole 7: Par 3, 239 Yards - Reverse Redan

One of two Redan holes at Black Creek, the 7th reverses the template, calling for a fade that lands short and left of the green.  The template functions remarkably well, in part because most golfers will be playing a wood from the tee and helped by the sharp kicker short left and the steep tilt of the green away from the tee.




Hole 10: Par 4, 360 Yards - Double Cross

The tenth tee is crossed on the walk to the first tee, and the anticipation of playing the hole will stay with the golfer through the front nine.  The tenth is an exceptional half-par hole where a short yardage and well-used angles mean the way the golfer chooses to play the hole will vary from day-to-day based on situation and feel.  In all cases the golfer is best served challenging the fairway bunker to the right, but a push or slight mis-hit will quickly turn a birdie hole into a struggle for bogey, but it is the greenside bunker, the deepest on the course, that drives the hole's strategy.  Short-left of the green, a 30 ft deep bunker waits to punish a pulled driver or chunked wedge, and the recovery to a shallow green borders on impossible.




Hole 11: Par 3, 195 Yards - Redan

A rare downhill version of the Redan, the severity of the kicker allows the hole to function reasonably well.  Nevertheless, the sharp drop-off beyond the kicker, combined with the relative ease of sticking an approach on the green, mean that most will choose to take the aerial option.




Hole 13: Par 4, 485 Yards - Long

At the 12th we leave the homes behind, and by the 13th we head into nature with a difficult, tree-lined par-4 whose green sits nicely against a stream that runs along the hole's left side.  A single well-placed fairway bunker protects the hole's ideal line.  After a tee shot set up to favour a fade, the second half of the hole bends left, asking for a drawed, running approach.




Hole 16: Par 4, 446 Yards - Spine

At the 16th we once again find hole-ruining bunkers that intrude on the line of play.  Thought must be given as to the best route to avoid trouble, all the while remembering that a spine runs down the green's centre and approaching from the wrong angle for the day's pin can easily add a stroke to one's score.




Hole 17: Par 3, 243 Yards - Biarritz

"As fun to play as any hole built in the past fifty years."  I think this quote from Ran Morrissett's review of Black Creek Club says it all.  The Biarritz is exceptional, from the deep trough in the green's centre to the truly fear-invoking bunkers lining the left and right edges of the green, to the yardage that allows the Biarritz green to function as intended - the Biarritz at Black Creek may be the best hole of its kind.  Anywhere.


Matt Kardash

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2014, 08:43:04 PM »
That redan feels forced. It just seems to be the wrong hole for the land that was given. It was like the designer, or developer really wanted to have a redan hole and they stuck one in.
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Nigel Islam

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2014, 08:46:43 PM »
The biarritz is definitely my favorite pic.

john_stiles

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2014, 08:54:30 PM »

My favorites are the reverse redan, the spine, and the 10th.

It is always a good day of golf to get to Black Creek.

Rob Curtiss

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2014, 09:23:25 PM »
 I loved the punchbowl hole.

Great course- played great even in March after the Lookout/Chat event
« Last Edit: June 02, 2014, 08:03:19 AM by Rob Curtiss »

Randy Thompson

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2014, 09:41:27 PM »
What year did that open? I like that Brian has choosen not to follow the trends of our present era and instead choose a more classic look. Pictures look interesting and while the majority of the memebers of this site, get it, I imagine it goes over the heads of Joe Average golfer.

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2014, 11:01:47 PM »
That redan feels forced. It just seems to be the wrong hole for the land that was given. It was like the designer, or developer really wanted to have a redan hole and they stuck one in.

Which Redan? Mark mentioned two of them.

Mark, does the Biarritz play at the angel from which you took the photo or does it play straight on?

My only complaint: not enough photos. I'd like to see more and stand at your shoulder, thumbing my nose at those who complain about too many photos in a photo thread. For a course that contradicted your preconceptions, this one deserves more images.
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Matt Kardash

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2014, 04:50:21 AM »
That redan feels forced. It just seems to be the wrong hole for the land that was given. It was like the designer, or developer really wanted to have a redan hole and they stuck one in.

Which Redan? Mark mentioned two of them.

Mark, does the Biarritz play at the angel from which you took the photo or does it play straight on?

My only complaint: not enough photos. I'd like to see more and stand at your shoulder, thumbing my nose at those who complain about too many photos in a photo thread. For a course that contradicted your preconceptions, this one deserves more images.

The right to left drop shot redan. 11th hole.
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Michael Moore

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2014, 09:21:19 AM »
Mark -

While I am aesthetically undecided about your deployment of tilt-shift effects on the first few photos, I have to say that the technique caught my eye because I have never seen a golf course photographed in this manner.

Did you do this with the camera or post-production?

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Jason Thurman

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2014, 09:57:10 AM »
Thanks for the photos, Mark. I'm a fan of Black Creek. I played it during the same Chattanooga GCA outing that Rob mentioned above. I was thrilled just to apply sunscreen that day after temperatures and wind speeds in the 30s with rain and a little sleet the previous day at Lookout Mountain, and the course was very good.

It's a wonderful course tee-to-green. I enjoy tough courses where shooting a good number is a real challenge but shooting a high number isn't a miserable endeavor, and Black Creek certainly accomplishes the latter. As Mark's initial post mentions, the bunkering in the landing zones is thoughtful and the result is a high degree of interest on almost every tee shot, as opposed to a lot of courses where "down the middle" is the obvious play on virtually every hole. The shaping, as evident in the photos, is extremely crisp and I really enjoyed the aesthetic, though I must admit that a few of the greens that resemble rectangular pizza slices (like 11 and 17) made me pretty hungry.

Speaking of food, we enjoyed an excellent lunch at the club. At one point during that lunch, I recall Joe Sponcia discussing his previous plays of the course with Doug Stein. One of the things Joe mentioned was that Black Creek feels like a "big" course where well-struck shots are particularly satisfying as they just feel like they go farther and fly more dramatically. While I spent most of my time in Chattanooga with a game coated in winter rust and making triple bogies, I finally hit a handful of solidly struck shots on Black Creek and I agree with Joe's assessment wholeheartedly. The approach to 2 with a long iron drawing against a mountain backdrop is simply one of the most satisfying moments of my golf life. Slamming a ball over the "alp" on 6 gives a rush of adrenaline. Watching the ball hang in the air as it cuts down into the valley on 11 is surprisingly fun for a simple short-iron drop shot, and striping a long-iron to the back of the 17th is dramatic even on a provisional ball. The only adjective that really describes the feeling of these shots and many more at Black Creek is "satisfying." Striking the ball well out there just feels better than it does on most courses.

I will disagree with Mark's assessment that Black Creek is the best in Chattanooga. As he mentions, I thought the homes got a bit too intrusive to the ambience at times and the walk isn't as pleasant as the one at Lookout Mountain. Even for cartballers, the course just can't match Lookout's sense of place. I also didn't find the greens to be quite as interesting as the ones at Lookout. Nonetheless, Black Creek might be the best residential course I've played. The modern MacRaynor interpretations are effective, but it would be an engaging and stout challenge even for someone who doesn't know or care about the underlying inspiration for the course.
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Josh Tarble

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2014, 10:04:34 AM »
The modern MacRaynor interpretations are effective, but it would be an engaging and stout challenge even for someone who doesn't know or care about the underlying inspiration for the course.

That's funny you say that...I played with a friend of a friend last year, a member at Black Creek.  He is a good player and had the opportunity to join either Honors or Black Creek and chose BC.  He joined it for the challenge and absolutely loves it.

I was discussing it with him and he had no idea who Seth Raynor or CB Macdonald were  :D

I haven't talked to him since but I hope I at least sparked an interest in the two with him.

Richard Hetzel

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2014, 10:12:12 AM »
That Biarritz hole looks crazy! I have only played one other course (maybe 2) with a Biarritz green and this one looks really severe compared to the others. This looks like a very fun course, thanks for the pics Mark!
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Mark Saltzman

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2014, 10:20:39 AM »
Mark -

While I am aesthetically undecided about your deployment of tilt-shift effects on the first few photos, I have to say that the technique caught my eye because I have never seen a golf course photographed in this manner.

Did you do this with the camera or post-production?



Michael,

I was given Photoshop as a present by someone who clearly confused my interest in taking pictures of golf courses with having any knowledge of photography.

Everything was done post production.  This was my first attempt with Photoshop and I have to say editing with it instead of iPhoto is a whole lot more complicated.  I watched different online tutorials on the basics of different tools and then tried to implement them, which is why some pictures used the gaussian blur effect, and others didn't.  While those with some level of knowledge of photography (or maybe even those who don't!) won't like the pictures, I'm quite pleased with how they turned out.

What do you think of the other pictures? I won't be offended but wouldn't mind some constructive comments if you have.

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2014, 10:36:17 AM »
For those who have NFC what tilt-shift effects in photoshop is/are/be/were/was/donebeen...

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1SFXN_enUS499US499&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=tilt-shift%20photoshop
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Rob Curtiss

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2014, 10:41:12 AM »
I liked the fact that the course was pretty forgiving off the tee box and more of the challenge was in the second shot.

To me it is all about the second shot to score well. I was in the fairway on almost every hole and struggled all day. My iron game is horrible.

I loved the challenge though.

Mark Saltzman

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2014, 10:47:51 AM »
That redan feels forced. It just seems to be the wrong hole for the land that was given. It was like the designer, or developer really wanted to have a redan hole and they stuck one in.

Which Redan? Mark mentioned two of them.

Mark, does the Biarritz play at the angel from which you took the photo or does it play straight on?

My only complaint: not enough photos. I'd like to see more and stand at your shoulder, thumbing my nose at those who complain about too many photos in a photo thread. For a course that contradicted your preconceptions, this one deserves more images.

Ron, no, the Biarritz plays straight on and the photo is (obviously) from the left, but it is hard to get any sense of the depth of the swale or bunkers from the tee view.

As for the paucity of pictures... like I said to Michael, this was a first attempt with Photoshop and the editing took quite some time.  I have lots more pictures but I felt what I have up gives a good sense of what the course is all about.  Now you just have to get down there yourself!

Ben Kodadek

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2014, 11:29:36 AM »
Mark,

How deep (front to back) is the swale in the biarritz?

Mark Pritchett

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2014, 12:17:01 PM »
Mark,

How deep (front to back) is the swale in the biarritz?
 

This photo will give you some perspective of the swale.  

« Last Edit: June 02, 2014, 12:18:58 PM by Mark Pritchett »

Michael Moore

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2014, 05:15:47 PM »
What do you think of the other pictures?

They are excellent as always, and yes, as someone who once complained about tours with far too many photographs, I especially enjoyed the restraint exhibited here.

I asked about tilt-shift because there is something jarring and haunting about it. On the one hand that is a very cool photo, but on the other it stirs up a bizarre melange of memories such as my childhood train set, the intro to Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood, and of course low-budget Godzilla. It is a powerful and highly evocative filter, strange to see it on my beloved field of play.
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2014, 05:31:46 PM »
Although I'm aware that some folk don't like to see to many photos I'd be keen to see more of that 17th Biarritz/swale/whole green complex. Also some more of the 6th Punchbowl and 16th Spine would be nice. A fine GCA study.

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Jud_T

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2014, 05:39:55 PM »
Mark,

Thanks for posting these.  As a template fan this club has always intrigued me.
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Brian Finn

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2014, 08:47:02 PM »
I really enjoyed the tour.  Thank you for sharing the photos.

Black Creek was already pretty high on my list, and just moved up a bunch after seeing these neat photos. 

Looks like I am going to need more than two days next time I am in TN!
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Terry Lavin

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2014, 08:53:20 PM »
Brian Silva is a talented guy and this is pretty ballsy for Tennessee, it seems to me.
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John Mayhugh

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2014, 10:50:24 PM »
Thanks for the tour, Mark.  Strong praise for the course.  That Biarritz is pretty intimidating.

Joe Sponcia

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Re: Black Creek Club, Tennessee (Brian Silva) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2014, 10:28:34 AM »
Thurman,

I read your last post and it made me think about what a great second shot course BC is...and why I love Lookout...and why I love Holston...and why I love the classic courses.  Many are second shotters, which automatically means the greens are very interesting vs. the premium being placed on hitting a straight drive to a narrow fairway.  I have never thought about this until now, that I, and probably many of us fall into this camp.  

An 18 will have a great time when he is allowed a little space for his drives, but will have a miserable day when he is constantly missing fairways by a few yards.  

A low handicapper won't be happy just hitting fairways (why hitting fairways isn't enough), he wants to be on a specific side to be able to play a specific angle and shot shape.  Otherwise...he feels his day was not as pleasurable.  

Width is that important...
« Last Edit: June 04, 2014, 10:30:08 AM by Joe Sponcia »
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