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BCowan

New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« on: May 28, 2014, 10:16:14 AM »
Have any been built in the last 20 years?
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Courses built in last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2014, 11:04:45 AM »
There have been a good number in GB&I.

That said, a tight site 70 years ago is a different size to a tight site now.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Courses built in last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2014, 02:57:40 PM »
New 18-hole courses?  I doubt there are many.  But there are lots of remodels that don't have any more property than that to work with.
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David_Tepper

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Re: Courses built in last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2014, 03:05:43 PM »
Rooster Run, a muni in Petaluma CA, can't be built on too much more than 140 acres. Aside from a spacious driving range, the course is pretty compact.
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BCowan

Re: Courses built in last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2014, 03:13:26 PM »
A quick deviation from my own question, did any archies turn down a project during the boom years due to lack of sufficient land (140 acres) for example?

TD,

  New 18 hole courses (20 years)
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Jud_T

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2014, 03:20:18 PM »
The Crossings at Carlsbad has to be less than 140 acres.  Then again it's a dogtrack that's unplayable in a 2 club wind, although I'm not sure that's entirely the fault of the acreage...
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Brian Finn

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2014, 05:28:36 PM »
Quote from: Jud_T on May 28, 2014, 03:20:18 PM
The Crossings at Carlsbad has to be less than 140 acres.  Then again it's a dogtrack that's unplayable in a 2 club wind, although I'm not sure that's entirely the fault of the acreage...

The Crossings sits on approximately 400 acres, but 220 of those could not have golf on them, due to protection of endangered species and preservation of archaeological areas.  That left 180 (rather disconnected) acres for potential golf course.  Horrible site selection is to blame for most of their issues, which date back about 30 years (and $65mm).  How much of that acreage is really suited for a golf course?  Certainly less than 140.
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Bill_McBride

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2014, 07:12:21 PM »
Pensacola Country Club is on less than 120 acres. 
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2014, 07:39:21 PM »
How big are Bandon, Pacific and Old Mac. They seem to have small footprints.
Does the 7,000 yard threshhold and liability concerns make 140 acres the minimum?
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Andrew Buck

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2014, 07:43:36 PM »
Probably several housing development courses where the course itself resides on under that.
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jeffwarne

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2014, 07:46:03 PM »
East Hampton GC
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Garland Bayley

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2014, 07:52:39 PM »
Quote from: Pete_Pittock on May 28, 2014, 07:39:21 PM
How big are Bandon, Pacific and Old Mac. They seem to have small footprints.
Does the 7,000 yard threshhold and liability concerns make 140 acres the minimum?

A conservative estimate from a Google Earth measurement puts Bandon Dunes at over 200 acres.
I suspect the others are in the same ball park.
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Richard Hetzel

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2014, 08:02:55 PM »
I know that Eaglesticks GC new Zanesville is touted as to being on 150 acres. I don't know how old the course is however.
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BCowan

Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2014, 09:06:42 PM »
Quote from: Richard Hetzel on May 28, 2014, 08:02:55 PM
I know that Eaglesticks GC new Zanesville is touted as to being on 150 acres. I don't know how old the course is however.

Good one Richard.  I wish id of played it when i lived in Cbus.  I like Hurzdan. 
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Brian Finn

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2014, 12:04:46 AM »
Quote from: BCowan on May 28, 2014, 09:06:42 PM
Quote from: Richard Hetzel on May 28, 2014, 08:02:55 PM
I know that Eaglesticks GC new Zanesville is touted as to being on 150 acres. I don't know how old the course is however.

Good one Richard.  I wish id of played it when i lived in Cbus.  I like Hurzdan. 

I've enjoyed my handful of rounds at Eaglesticks. It is a lot of fun.  I believe it opened around 1990.
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paul cowley

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2014, 01:52:31 AM »
I've built two:

Orchard Creek - Altamont NY

Ocean Creek - Fripp Island SC
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Dean DiBerardino

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2014, 06:33:34 AM »
How about Caledonia?
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2014, 08:38:52 AM »
Lazy Swan GC - Saugerties, NY - 115+_ acs.
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Richard Hetzel

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2014, 12:33:42 PM »
I wonder if The Fortress in Frankenmuth, Michigan is on less than 140-150 acres. It's a pretty COMPACT 18 hole course…..the course was fun, and really didn't feel too crowded…


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Russ Arbuthnot

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2014, 01:09:33 PM »
Blackheath (1989, Kevin Aldridge) in Rochester Hills, MI is right at 140.
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Andrew Buck

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2014, 02:05:41 PM »
Senica's Oak Ridge in LaSalle, IL comes in a 130 acres excluding parking lot/clubhouse based on mapquest.  They did squeeze about as much as you could out of the property to have 6,900'ish yards.  I think it was built in 1996. 
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Kyle Henderson

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2014, 02:13:52 PM »
Bartley Cavanaugh on the southern border of Sacramento, CA.
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Dan_Callahan

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2014, 02:19:18 PM »
Anyone know how many acres Wintonbury Hills in Connecticut covers? Doesn't seem like all that much.
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Jaeger Kovich

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2014, 02:49:04 PM »
Quote from: Dan_Callahan on May 29, 2014, 02:19:18 PM
Anyone know how many acres Wintonbury Hills in Connecticut covers? Doesn't seem like all that much.

I doubt it, there is some steep enough stuff there I find it unlikely you could do it in under 140.
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Jimmy Chandler

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Re: New Courses built in the U.S. over the last 20 years on 140 acres or less
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2014, 03:01:38 PM »
Quote from: Dean DiBerardino on May 29, 2014, 06:33:34 AM
How about Caledonia?

Opened in January 1994, so just over 20 years ago. According to Michael Whitaker, it's on 110 acres.

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php?topic=20558.25;wap2

And a course I think deserves more GCA love than it gets. Admittedly, I played it only once and my impression may be influenced by shooting a good score for me :)
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