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J.D. Griffith

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Re: Most Designs By State
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2014, 02:37:24 PM »
Joel Goldstrand I believe would hold that crown in Minnesota, with some courses in Wisconsin.
The late Dr.  Gordon Emerson has designed the majority of courses in Western Wisconsin, including many 9 hole expansions as well.
Jeff, do you have information on Gordon Emerson?
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Most Designs By State
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2014, 02:52:40 PM »
The late Robin Nelson had Hawaii sown up with 30 ( have also read 36) of the state's ca. 90 courses.

p.s. I read somewhere that Donald Ross employed over 3,000 construction workers for his courses -  in 1925.  
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Tim Leahy

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Re: Most Designs By State
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2014, 04:04:33 PM »
My guess would be one of the Bells or Ted Robinson in Cali.
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Pat Burke

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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2014, 04:37:07 PM »
probably Ted Robinson in Cal?
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Pat Burke

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« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2014, 04:37:46 PM »
Tim beat me! :D
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Steve Lang

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Re: Most Designs By State
« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2014, 04:44:21 PM »
 8)  California

Golf Courses designed and built by William P. Bell[edit]
(List of courses:[3])  per wiki

Altadena Golf Course (Public), Altadena, CA
Apple Valley Country Club (Private), Apple Valley, CA
Bakersfield Country Club (Private), Bakersfield, CA
Bel-Air Country Club (Private), Los Angeles, CA
Buenaventura Golf Course (Public), in Ventura, CA
Chevy Chase Country Club (Private), Glendale, CA
Del Rio Country Club (Semi-Private), Brawley, CA
Eighteen Hole at Balboa Park Municipal Golf Club (Public), San Diego, CA
Hill at Castlewood Country Club (Private), Pleasanton, CA
Kern River Golf Course (Public), Bakersfield, CA
La Cumbre Country Club (Private), Santa Barbara, CA
La Jolla Country Club (Private), La Jolla, CA
Lakewood Country Club (Public), Lakewood, CA
Meadowlark Golf Course (Public), Huntington Beach, CA
Mission Trails Golf Course (Public), San Diego, CA
Newport Beach Country Club (Private), Newport Beach, CA
Alondra Park Golf Course, North, (Public), Lawndale, CA
North Ridge Country Club (Private), Fair Oaks, CA
Number One at Brookside Golf Course (Public), Pasadena, CA
Number Two at Brookside Golf Course (Public), Pasadena, CA
Oak/Bluff at Del Rio Country Club (Private), Modesto, CA
Ojai Valley Inn & Spa (Resort), Ojai, CA
Palo Alto Municipal Golf Course (Public), Palo Alto, CA
Palos Verdes Country Club (Semi Private), Palos Verdes Estates, Ca.
Rancho Park Golf Course (Public), Los Angeles, CA
Regulation at Marine Memorial Golf Course (Military), Camp Pendleton, CA
Riverside of Fresno Golf Course (Public), Fresno, CA
San Clemente Municipal Golf Course (Public), San Clemente, CA
San Diego Country Club (Private), Chula Vista, CA
Soule Park Golf Club (Public), Ojai, CA
South Hills Country Club (Private), West Covina, CA
Stanford University Golf Club, The (Private), Palo Alto, CA
Sunnyside Country Club (Private), Fresno, CA
Tamarisk Country Club (Private), Rancho Mirage, CA
The North - Earl Fry at Chuck Corica Golf Complex (Public), Alameda, CA
Tilden Regional Park Golf Course (Public), Berkeley, CA
Valley at Castlewood Country Club (Private), Pleasanton, CA
Virginia Country Club (Private), Long Beach, CA
Willowick Golf Course (Public), Santa Ana, CA
Woodland Hills Country Club (Private), Woodland Hills, CA
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Frank Giordano

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Re: Most Designs By State
« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2014, 07:10:10 PM »
Do we know how many in Connecticut were designed by Robert Jack Ross?
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Nigel Islam

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Re: Most Designs By State
« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2014, 11:20:24 PM »
Wow, Steve if you throw in William F. Bell it must be hard not to find a Bell course in Cali!
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Tommy Williamsen

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« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2014, 11:24:35 PM »
I haven't counted, but I am sure that Ed Ault and later partner Tom Clark have designed more courses in Maryland than anyone.  It is certainly true along the Balto Washington corridor. 
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CStrange

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Re: Most Designs By State
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2014, 11:36:13 PM »
Quote from: Matthew Petersen on May 17, 2014, 09:40:58 AM
Quote from: Matthew Rose on May 16, 2014, 11:46:20 PM
I don't know about per state figures, but there do seem to be some architects that are associated with certain regions, like George Cobb and Ellis Maples in the Carolinas, The Phelps' and Jim Engh out here in Colorado, Killian/Nugent in Illinois/Wisconsin, etc..
 

I'd be pretty shocked if it were anyone other than Dick Phelps in Colorado.

In Arizona, my guess would be Greg Nash, as he has done a lot of work in the retirement community courses. Of course, Nicklaus has 6 just at Desert Mountain, plus Desert Highlands, La Paloma, and Dove Mtn. I suspect Nash has even more than that, however.

I think Press Maxwell would give Dick Phelps a run in Colorado.
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Wyatt Halliday

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« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2014, 12:20:05 AM »
Press has a few up here, but nothing close to the 26 Phelps course I can think of of the top of my head.

Wish he did though. Hiwan and Pinehurst two of his better ones in Denver.
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Brad Tufts

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« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2014, 12:41:59 AM »
For Massachusetts this is actually a great race.

According to the Mungeam-Cornish Design website, Cornish worked on 60 different courses in Mass.

Donald Ross, according to the DRS list, clocks in with 53.

They worked in different eras..., Ross 1900-1947, and Cornish 1957-mid90s, but they respectively completed work for a number of the same Mass. courses during their careers.
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astavrides

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« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2014, 03:36:36 AM »
Quote from: Nigel Islam on May 17, 2014, 11:20:24 PM
Wow, Steve if you throw in William F. Bell it must be hard not to find a Bell course in Cali!

There are only 39 William P.'s in CA in the list above. I've played 37 William F.'s in CA, (and 18 of the William P.'s) so there must be more Willam F.'s. (I've played 27 CA Robinson's).
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CStrange

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« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2014, 10:33:16 AM »
Quote from: Wyatt Halliday on May 18, 2014, 12:20:05 AM
Press has a few up here, but nothing close to the 26 Phelps course I can think of of the top of my head.

Wish he did though. Hiwan and Pinehurst two of his better ones in Denver.

Agree that Phelps has more especially with 9 holes.  But if you look at original 18 holers it's like 18 for Phelps 12 for Maxwell.  Then you have to split hairs and figure out Dick or Rick/Phelps Atkinson.  Dick has probably consulted almost every Maxwell in CO.  He has certainly had his hand in the greatest number of courses in CO.

Hiwan will always be one of my faves. Grew up in Evergreen and I started working there when I was 16.  Coincidentally Phelps office was about .5 mile from Hiwan.

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Garland Bayley

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Re: Most Designs By State
« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2014, 11:37:49 AM »
Quote from: Pete_Pittock on May 17, 2014, 01:32:18 PM
Quote from: GJ Bailey on May 17, 2014, 10:52:39 AM
Could be Bill Robinson for Oregon.

You smoking that legal stuff?  Bill will probably going to come in 4th or 5th or so. Federspiel, Cupp/Fought, Egan. I'll unearth my Golf In Oregon book and start tabulating.
Finished with the count , more than 75 architects listed for about 200 courses

And the winner is (with 11 designs) H Chandler Egan
 8  - Fred Federspiel. Gene "Bunny"Mason, Bill Robinson
 7 - Bob Cupp, Robert Muir Graves
Other in contention were the Junor family, the Zoller family, and the Baldocks.

My definition of "could be" includes tie for second. :)
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: Most Designs By State
« Reply #40 on: May 18, 2014, 02:48:31 PM »
If only there were an app for that.

For Arkansas, my guess is Herman Hackbarth.

Tucker for Idaho.

Has to be Bendelow for Illinois, Wisconsin and Michigan.

Possibly James Dalgleish for Kansas.

Virginia is Fred Findlay (would like to get the history on why he was so proficient here).

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Sven Nilsen

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« Reply #41 on: May 18, 2014, 03:00:45 PM »
Quote from: Andy Troeger on May 17, 2014, 09:07:17 AM
My best guess for Indiana would be Bill Diddel. As I researched who designed the various courses I played in the state, his name came up very frequently. Pete Dye also has a lot of courses in Indiana, but I think Diddel would win on quantity.

New Mexico is a melting pot. If someone designed more than a few of the old municipal courses that might be enough to win. Dick Phelps, Ken Dye, and Baxter Spann all have three that I can think of. RTJ Jr and Nicklaus have two each. Ken Dye's courses are the most noteworthy as a set: Paa-Ko, Pinon Hills, and Red Hawk.

Andy:

Diddel had something like 53 original designs in Indiana and a good number of remodels (http://www.billdiddel.com/courses.htm).  Not sure about PD's numbers, but it should be easily findable.  My count of Bendelows is 38.

As for New Mexico, of the 30 courses built before 1940 that I have a record of, I only have attributions for two of them (Bendelow's Sante Fe CC and S&VK doing Albuquerque).  S&VK designed a 36 hole facility known as Washington Ranch Resort, which may have given them the lead if it had ever been built.

Sven
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: Most Designs By State
« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2014, 03:07:06 PM »
Quote from: Frank Giordano on May 17, 2014, 07:10:10 PM
Do we know how many in Connecticut were designed by Robert Jack Ross?

Frank:

I have 11 for Robert Ross, beating out Robert Pryde and Bendelow (at 10).

Sven
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Most Designs By State
« Reply #43 on: May 18, 2014, 04:35:42 PM »
Cornish had 29 in CT - 12 solo, 16 w/Robinson, and 1 w/Silva

He had 61 in MA - 32 solo, 1 w/ Mitchell, 26 w/Robinson, and 2 w/Mungeam
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Jim_Kennedy

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« Reply #44 on: May 18, 2014, 04:50:16 PM »
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Greg Tallman

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« Reply #45 on: May 18, 2014, 05:27:48 PM »
I couldn't even venture a guess for my native West Virginia
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Mike Schott

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« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2014, 09:19:29 PM »
There re a number of Art Hills courses in Michigan but Jerry Matthews probably is the most prolific.
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Sven Nilsen

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« Reply #47 on: May 18, 2014, 10:23:42 PM »
Quote from: Mike Schott on May 18, 2014, 09:19:29 PM
There re a number of Art Hills courses in Michigan but Jerry Matthews probably is the most prolific.

Bendelow had 63 courses in Michigan, but looking at Matthew's list it looks like he blows that number away.
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Josh Bills

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Re: Most Designs By State
« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2014, 06:29:49 AM »
I would have to agree with B. Finn as to Jack Kidwell, I believe he has about 70 courses in Ohio.  I have personally played about 20 of them and grew up on Woodland Golf Course.  Nothing flashy or exciting from the majority of his courses, but usually reasonable rates, mostly public and an occassional architecturally interesting course like Hickory Hills, Players Club at Foxfire or York Golf Club.  I would find it hard to imagine anyone else coming close to that number.

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Jeff_Brauer

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« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2014, 07:34:54 AM »
I would love some guesses on other states that didn't have an architect in state, such as Iowa, NE, Kansas, OK, etc.

My guess is the Jack Kidwell types - good regional architects would win out in almost every state.  As TD says, even up to the 1970's when I started in the biz, for the most part, the big names stuck to resort courses, and the biz was much more regional.  Now, being an in town architect isn't seen as any real advantage, and because architecture is more well regarded, sometimes its a detriment and they prefer to hire the out of town guys.
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