News:

Welcome to the Golf Club Atlas Discussion Group!

Each user is approved by the Golf Club Atlas editorial staff. For any new inquiries, please contact us.


Patrick_Mucci

Re: Do the USGA and R&A
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2014, 12:20:02 PM »

Is there a difference between "protecting par" and lengthening a course?

NO


Isn’t redesignating a par 5 as a par 4 a simple counterexample?

No, it's just another method of protecting par.


I’m not sure whether asking a question of Mr. Mucci is an auspicious choice for my first post, but I suspect it may be…

-Alan

AKikuchi

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Do the USGA and R&A
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2014, 01:21:03 PM »

Is there a difference between "protecting par" and lengthening a course?

NO


Isn’t redesignating a par 5 as a par 4 a simple counterexample?

No, it's just another method of protecting par.


I’m not sure whether asking a question of Mr. Mucci is an auspicious choice for my first post, but I suspect it may be…

-Alan

We are agreed on that- lengthening a course is just one of many methods of protecting par. But to me that implies the answer to Matthew’s question would be “Yes”. There is a difference. Protecting par is an undertaking much broader than simply lengthening the course.

I suppose alternate/related questions might be:

“Is lengthening a course ever done for reasons other than protecting par?” (I think perhaps this was the question you were answering in response to Matthew)

“Does lengthening a course always have the effect of increasing the average score relative to par?” While likely, this is somewhat academic. We don’t get to see what would happen without the changes, as Tom noted.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: Do the USGA and R&A
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2014, 07:55:03 PM »

Is there a difference between "protecting par" and lengthening a course?

NO


Isn’t redesignating a par 5 as a par 4 a simple counterexample?

No, it's just another method of protecting par.


I’m not sure whether asking a question of Mr. Mucci is an auspicious choice for my first post, but I suspect it may be…

-Alan

We are agreed on that- lengthening a course is just one of many methods of protecting par. But to me that implies the answer to Matthew’s question would be “Yes”. There is a difference. Protecting par is an undertaking much broader than simply lengthening the course.

I suppose alternate/related questions might be:

“Is lengthening a course ever done for reasons other than protecting par?” (I think perhaps this was the question you were answering in response to Matthew)

“Does lengthening a course always have the effect of increasing the average score relative to par?”

Yes


While likely, this is somewhat academic.

No, it's not,

adding length makes a hole more difficult, ergo making par is more difficult,


We don’t get to see what would happen without the changes, as Tom noted.

Of course we do, the hole continues to play as it always has


Adam Clayman

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Do the USGA and R&A
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2014, 09:43:21 AM »
Mother nature does more to raise scores than the governing bodies ever could. Once again, Shinney in '04 proved the pros are only collectively great when conditions are optimal for their ever increasingly one dimensionality.

Everybody should know that par changes. Why don't the governing bodies? It changes everyday (if you're lucky enough to play somewhere the wind's direction changes frequently). It changes for the individual, based on their experience, ability and the specific golf course's design and scorecard.

« Last Edit: May 04, 2014, 09:45:36 AM by Adam Clayman »
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Tags:
Tags:

An Error Has Occurred!

Call to undefined function theme_linktree()
Back