Another one for you on 13, which I've probably told you before. I hit my patented driver off the deck for my second shot from about 270 out (we can dream) and hit it a bit left and I thought oh that's going to be good - I'll have a look up the green from that open area short left. I got up there. No sign of the ball, but I did find out that there was a road that goes down into the woods on the left there. Sure enough, there was my ball at the bottom of it. Fully 150 yards down the hill. After a walk down to find the ball and a walk back up to get a club and a walk back down to hit the ball and a walk back up to find it I eventually walked off the hole with about a 7. Now THAT was an architectural aspect that I would gladly have razed.
It was Silver Lake on Staten Island to which I referred. I'm not sure which course you're talking about...
Oh yes, that was very much on my mind when i wrote about #13.
I was talking about the one we played with Nick in NJ. A few holes there had trees playing far too big a role in choosing a line off the tee. And don't get me started on all the par 3's being 186 yards...