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David_Graves

Shortening the Long Tee
« on: August 29, 2003, 07:44:00 PM »
I was playing recently with a R&A member who said there was conversation in that body about limiting the length of the tee to reduce the "baseball" effect of the really long tee. I mentioned this to my home pro who pointed out the higher sweet spot on many of these oversized drivers possibly require the longer tee to optimize the large heads.

Has anyone heard anything about this? What could reducing the maximum tee length mean for architecture?

ForkaB

Re:Shortening the Long Tee
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2003, 12:24:41 AM »
Althought there is some logic in the concept, that's gonna be one helluva a rule to try to enforce!

I personally think that the "no tee" rule debated here a few months ago would be a better and more creative solution, but it is too radical to ever be considered by the powers that be.....

James Edwards

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Re:Shortening the Long Tee
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2003, 12:20:49 PM »
Bill,

kick a turk..?   :-X
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JohnV

Re:Shortening the Long Tee
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2003, 02:45:34 PM »
Brother Bill, I think the original proposal was that you drop the ball on the teeing ground.  Wouldn't you just love to drop one into a divot?

cary lichtenstein

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Re:Shortening the Long Tee
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2003, 02:49:55 PM »
Why not go back too the days that you carried sand in your pocket and you built a little tee out of sand?
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

ForkaB

Re:Shortening the Long Tee
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2003, 02:54:57 PM »
John

Surely you're not saying that golf should be fair!

Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Shortening the Long Tee
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2003, 06:39:32 PM »
I have heard proposals to eliminate tees altogether - with large drivers it would be hard to "hit it off the deck" even on a level tee.  

I have also heard proposals to forget level lies on tees to toughen golf courses.  Is there anything in the rules that says they must be level and can't be gently rolling?

Specifying the length of tees makes some sense to me, especially since the USGA will specify driver length, hole length relative to par, so why not tee length?

It is more likely that limiting tee length could be passed than the other proposals to put a bit more difficulty in tee shots.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

James Edwards

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Re:Shortening the Long Tee
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2003, 06:34:13 PM »
"Maybe an Armenian or two? One on either coast available?"

Bill, Is an Armenian a shot / chaser ? ;)?
« Last Edit: August 31, 2003, 06:35:41 PM by J.J.S.E »
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David_Graves

Re:Shortening the Long Tee
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2003, 07:48:28 PM »
Rich Goodale,
Why would it be any harder to enforce than a hot ball or a non-conforming club? Aren't we supposed to police ourselves?

ForkaB

Re:Shortening the Long Tee
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2003, 06:35:06 AM »
I take your point re: the self-enforcement element of golf, but I still do wonder what I could/should do if I'm playing a competition and my fellow-competitor pulls a long tee out of his sock and then sticks it in the ground so it seems to me like it is a little bit higher than a sanctioned tee.  Do I have a ruler in my bag to measure it?  Do I have the right to confiscate the possibly non-conforming tee in some sort of “citizen’s arrest?”  Or, do we do a full body (including body “cavities”) strip search of all competitors on the first tee looking for offending bits of wood and/or plastic?  What do we do in a normal bounce game with our “friends?”

I still really like the “no tee” alternative.  To assuage John V’s obsession with fairness, I think the rule could allow you to place the ball on the teeing ground, but not alter that ground (either through a Trevino shuffle or an Auchterlonie mini-sand castle, or whatever).  Talk about bringing “shotmaking” back into the game (and making classic courses more competitive in the bargain)!

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