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Carl Nichols

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Reactions from a first-time visit to the Masters
« on: April 14, 2014, 01:54:54 PM »
I attended the Masters for the first time Friday and Saturday, and spent almost all of both days walking the course.  I had the following reactions, some of which were apparent from watching the tournament on TV, some of which were less so:

1.  ANGC is wider than any course I play on a regular basis, especially the classic-style, tree-lined courses in Bethesda and Potomac, MD.  Having never been to ANGC before, I couldn't tell if the width was significantly enhanced by the ice storm they had this year, which some people estimated as taking out 1/3 of the trees.  Either way, it's wider from treeline to treeline than the courses I regularly play, plus the rough is quite light, plus in most places, you can have something approaching a decent lie full swing if you're in the trees, which is a lot different than holes lined by forests choked with underbrush. 

2.  I've played on courses with very fast greens, but ANGC's appeared to be several notches above anything I've ever played.  As a result, the level of precision required on both approach shots and putts was something I wasn't expecting.  (I expected a high level of precision--I just didn't anticipate how incredibly demanding it was out there.)  There were lots of good examples, but the pin position on 7 on Saturday seemed absurdly hard--right on top of a knob, just over the left bunker, where the only viable play (on a significantly uphill 2nd shot) was to go long, leaving a super-fast downhill putt. 

3.  Maybe the rain on Monday had something to do with it, but the fairways didn't seem that firm or fast.  It wasn't that tee shots were plugging or anthing like that, they just weren't bounding along at all like they would on a dry links course, and thus I didn't once see a tee shot that looked good run out into the rough unexpectedly.

4.  While the greens were incredibly fast, they didn't strike me as that firm.  Obviously shots coming in hot with long irons or woods (like the 2nd shots on 15) would run out, but I didn't see any huge bounces, especially with mid and short irons, like you see on dry links courses.     

5.  Because of their size and the speed of the greens, several of the bunkers played like true hazards. 

6.  Since it doesn't get that much attention during the broadcast, I hadn't realized how much the pin position on 3 dictates strategy.  On Saturday, with a back-right pin, most players chose to drive it relatively long and left--which would've been a disaster for the Sunday pin.

7.  All in all, the course struck me as an incredibly difficult but "fair" test for identifying the best player.  I didn't see any "bad" bounces and great shots were rewarded. 

Jason Topp

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Re: Reactions from a first-time visit to the Masters
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2014, 02:54:51 PM »
Thanks for the report Carl.

The reason the tee shots do not run like crazy is because the fairways are mowed from green to tee so the grain slows them down.  I remember balls running forever before they started to do that.

Carl Nichols

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Re: Reactions from a first-time visit to the Masters
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2014, 02:58:31 PM »
Jason--
I didn't know that.  But I also didn't see any huge first bounces in the fairway, which would seem to be more about firmness than mowing. 

Mac Plumart

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Re: Reactions from a first-time visit to the Masters
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2014, 05:35:48 PM »
Your first point is the biggest eye opener to first time visitors that have only seen the course on tv, IMO.

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Greg Holland

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Re: Reactions from a first-time visit to the Masters
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2014, 01:57:22 PM »
Your first point is the biggest eye opener to first time visitors that have only seen the course on tv, IMO.


That and the elevation changes and undulations which even on HD TV are not as apparent.

Moreover, the intimacy of the routing -- for example, that 6 and 16 are so close together is not apparent from TV either. 

Matthew Petersen

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Re: Reactions from a first-time visit to the Masters
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2014, 11:06:19 PM »
Your first point is the biggest eye opener to first time visitors that have only seen the course on tv, IMO.



I would agree in full. From the first view from the clubhouse down the hill where you look over the old practice area, past 1, 18, down toward 2 green, 8 tee, 7 green, 17, etc. It's magnificent and on a scale that's not like really any other course. Very hard to understand that based on TV.

And that feeling carries through the course. Really wide corridors and as Carl said, an even greater feeling of wideness because even most of the tight holes (like 7) seem to offer decent chances for your ball to get through or find a spot where you'll have a shot. Very different from the vast majority of tree lined courses I have seen.

And Carl your point about #3 is spot on. That hole is really wasted, in terms of publicity, coming so early in the round. One of the most interesting short 4s anywhere. That green is just something else.

cary lichtenstein

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Re: Reactions from a first-time visit to the Masters
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2014, 11:21:08 PM »
1 is narrow, so is 3. 11 is  very narrow as is 7.
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Matthew Petersen

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Re: Reactions from a first-time visit to the Masters
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2014, 11:26:00 PM »
1 is narrow, so is 3. 11 is  very narrow as is 7.

11 and 18 were the only holes I though standing behind the tee looked narrow. And those were mostly narrow chutes to drive through. The landing areas still seemed wide (11 would be better more open to the right, but it's still pretty wide if you take the preferred angle out of consideration).

I though there was plenty of room on three, unless you were trying to get it up by the green, in which case you had to contend with the trees right.

7 is narrow, but I thought oversold. I've played a lot of holes that feel a lot more narrow than that.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: Reactions from a first-time visit to the Masters
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2014, 11:28:32 PM »

1 is narrow, so is 3. 11 is  very narrow as is 7.

Cary,

I didn't find # 1 to be narrow.

# 7, # 17 (with Ike's tree) and # 18 were narrow, relatively speaking for a Major.

# 11 and # 18 were very awkward, very uncomfortable for me


Carl Nichols

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Re: Reactions from a first-time visit to the Masters
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2014, 10:46:54 AM »

1 is narrow, so is 3. 11 is  very narrow as is 7.

Cary,

I didn't find # 1 to be narrow.

# 7, # 17 (with Ike's tree) and # 18 were narrow, relatively speaking for a Major.

# 11 and # 18 were very awkward, very uncomfortable for me


#1 didn't look narrow to me.  The tree-line-to-tree-line distance was relatively narrow on the others mentioned here, but still wider than a LOT of holes on courses around here (in DC).  But that's just the tree lines; with short rough, very few low branches, and pine straw rather than underbrush, it seemed like most offline drives resulted in at least a full-swing recovery shot.