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Dean Stokes

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Changes to come!
« on: April 13, 2014, 05:34:24 PM »
I guess we will see new trees planted on the front left of 13 tee next year!!!  ;D
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2014, 08:04:02 PM »
nahh, there will be a wall of juniper (a la Mike Strantz) across the entire fairway at 325 out.
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Matthew Rose

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Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2014, 08:25:20 PM »
So, with 6 of the last 12 champions being left-handed, will they now "southpaw proof" the course?
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John McCarthy

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Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2014, 09:24:14 PM »
Can the greens get faster?

I vote an Augusta ball in 5 years.  90 compression.
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2014, 10:15:39 PM »
Can the greens get faster?

I vote an Augusta ball in 5 years.  90 compression.

John,

I'm with you.

While it's a major endeavor, ANGC has the resources and contacts to embark upon the design and production of a tournament ball.
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2014, 10:22:32 PM »
Although he might have liked seeing someone hit their second from left of the original fairway trees on 15.

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Dan Smoot

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Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2014, 11:39:28 PM »
I guess we will see new trees planted on the front left of 13 tee next year!!!  ;D


Call them the "Bubba" trees ala Lon Hinkle

Jim Nugent

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Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2014, 12:18:32 AM »
Did Bubba's drive on 13 simply clear everything?  I thought I heard an announcer say it somehow slipped through the trees.

Looked like he stepped out of that drive with his front foot before his club struck the ball.  He's sometimes on the tips of both toes when he makes contact with his driver.   

Matthew Essig

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Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2014, 12:55:47 AM »
Did Bubba's drive on 13 simply clear everything?  I thought I heard an announcer say it somehow slipped through the trees.

Looked like he stepped out of that drive with his front foot before his club struck the ball.  He's sometimes on the tips of both toes when he makes contact with his driver.   

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No such Hail Mary shots were needed on Sunday, but that didn't stop Watson from showing off.

Take his drive at the 510-yard par-5 13th. He cut it too much around the corner and it sailed into the trees. Next thing you know, he hears cheers from the gallery, as the ball hit a tree and bounced back into the fairway. That left him just 140 yards, and his 56-degree sand wedge set up his final birdie to go 8 under.
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Joe Sponcia

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Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2014, 07:13:57 AM »
I would vote for the ball over more trees
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Mike_Young

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Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2014, 07:20:22 AM »
The biggest difference I see now from a a few years ago is the how the ball stops on the greens.  I know most say ANGC will never go to the ultradwarf greens but I bet they do...when the greens there release it's a totally different place....people are calling the greens fast but shots such as the shot Speith had from the right of 15 green would not grab at all or even Bubba's chip from behind 15 (if he had touched the green)...
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Mark Smolens

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Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2014, 10:27:48 AM »
Isn't there an old story about Sam Snead playing a practice round with a then-young gun type (a Watson or a Norman or someone like that), advising that in his day he used to hit it over the trees on the corner? But when the young gun tried, he hit it into the trees. . . at which point Sam said "of course, in my day those trees were only 20' high.


Patrick_Mucci

Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2014, 08:35:47 PM »

Isn't there an old story about Sam Snead playing a practice round with a then-young gun type (a Watson or a Norman or someone like that), advising that in his day he used to hit it over the trees on the corner? But when the young gun tried, he hit it into the trees. . . at which point Sam said "of course, in my day those trees were only 20' high.

That story didn't occur at ANGC and it didn't involve a name pro.




Garland Bayley

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Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2014, 08:42:41 PM »
I would vote for the ball over more trees

I don't think they have the cojones to do the ball.
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Jim Nugent

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Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2014, 01:06:58 AM »
Isn't there an old story about Sam Snead playing a practice round with a then-young gun type (a Watson or a Norman or someone like that), advising that in his day he used to hit it over the trees on the corner? But when the young gun tried, he hit it into the trees. . . at which point Sam said "of course, in my day those trees were only 20' high.


I read a similar story about ANGC decades ago, only the two actors involved were Jack Nicklaus and Greg Norman, with Nicklaus taking the Snead role.  The difference is that Norman actually hit his shot over the trees, not into them. 

Kevin_Reilly

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Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2014, 02:04:29 AM »
The Snead story seems to involve a game with Bobby Cole.  One version is this:

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Sam Snead was a notorious gambler (but only when he could skew a bet in his favor). Playing a practice round with a young South African player at the Masters, in the sixties, the young player asked for Snead’s (at the time Snead was in his 60’s) advice as to how he played the 13th. hole. “Well”, Snead replied, “I just took it down the left side over the corner”. Noticing the 80 foot high trees that lined the left side of the fairway, the young player was slightly unsure of this play, but because the great Sam Snead had told him to do so, launched his tee shot perfectly…..right smack into the middle of the trees. As they were walking down the fairway, the young man, queried Snead again about the shot. “Well” said Snead, in his Virginia drawl, “in my day those trees were only 20 feet high!” Snead won their $20 bet.

and another comes from some recent Eisenhower tree memories...from Gary Player:

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“It's quite sad that the tree is gone, but there's always a good side and a bad side. I'm sure President Eisenhower up there in heaven will say, 'At last. I've got my wish.' But that tree has got a lot of history attached to it. I remember playing there over 50 years ago — almost 60 years ago — and Sam Snead used to just cream it over that tree, and he told Bobby Cole about that, and Cole said, 'How is that possible?' And he said, 'It was only 12-foot high when I did it.'”

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Patrick_Mucci

Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2014, 07:18:23 AM »
I believe that the incident is described in Snead's book and has nothing to do with ANGC

Garland Bayley

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Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2014, 06:03:52 PM »
I believe that the incident is described in Snead's book and has nothing to do with ANGC

For once, I agree with PM.
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2014, 06:07:08 PM »
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Ryan McLaughlin

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Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2014, 08:25:44 PM »

Bill Brightly

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Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2014, 08:32:36 PM »
Here's the rumor I'm hearing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oQAjtXz-Vc&feature=youtu.be

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Mark Bourgeois

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Re: Changes to come!
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2014, 09:25:54 PM »
The biggest difference I see now from a a few years ago is the how the ball stops on the greens.  I know most say ANGC will never go to the ultradwarf greens but I bet they do...when the greens there release it's a totally different place....people are calling the greens fast but shots such as the shot Speith had from the right of 15 green would not grab at all or even Bubba's chip from behind 15 (if he had touched the green)...

Interesting thought, Mike. I'm reading Gil Capp's book on the 1975 Masters. He makes an interesting comment about the early April date contributing to the difficulty putting as the toonamint occurred during a transition period from rye to bermudagrass. In waiting until Wednesday to give the greens a close cut, they staved off the annual ryegrass die-out until after the practice rounds, producing an entirely different putting surface for round 1.

Anyway, about that Spieth pitch on 15: are you saying it would have run out with ultradwarf because the grain would have gone away from him (and it was late afternoon) or would the grass not grab regardless of the direction from which the golfer's ball approached? I think from your Bubba comment you mean the latter but just checking.

What kind of game(s) would ultradwarf favor? Would the type of game favored change? Would there be an even greater premium placed on the ability of the golfer to hit high approach shots?
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