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Patrick_Mucci

How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« on: August 14, 2003, 06:59:39 PM »
I played the 14th at Hidden Creek the other day, and was completely fooled by the bunker behind the green.

As we stood on the tee, it looked like the bunker was fronting the green, requiring a good carry in order to get to the pin, not unlike the tee shots on the par 3's on the front side.

As I approached the green, I was shocked to see that the bunker was behind, not in front of the green.

How does an architect create this illusion ?

Is it intentional or accidental ?

Can you provide additional examples of being totally fooled by a feature ?

Michael Moore

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Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2003, 07:12:32 PM »
Mr. Mucci -

I had the good fortune of spending the day with Bill Coore at his current site. I had posted some pictures, but the owners of the course felt that their beloved construction site was too good to be photographed and talked about and asked me to take them down. Out of respect for my future as a journalist, I had them removed.

But I digress. If you saw the post, you may remember that I had this moment of pure astonishment as Mr. Coore and Jim Craig walked a full quarter mile back down the third hole to observe the "back line" of the green they had been working on. They were incredibly sensitive to the exact contours that would add up to become the horizon. There was nothing tricky at work here, they just wanted the hole to flow and to fit.

As I look upon the photos (and what a resource we have here, may we never take it for granted) here of the 14th at Hidden Creek I can now see that this "back line" or horizon is the critical element. Getting it just right involves observing it from every possible angle. I got the impression that Mr. Coore surveys every feature from every angle.
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Patrick_Mucci

Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2003, 07:25:50 PM »
Michael Moore,

I suspect that folding the front of the green down, into invisibility, combined with creating the behind the green bunker complex, succeed in establishing the optical illusion.

I wonder, in the case of # 14 at Hidden Creek, if it was intentional, or a byproduct of the design of the hole ?

The front of the green must become invisible in order for the bunker in the rear to appear to be in front of the green, not at the rear of the green.

In retrospect, what was really neat was my thought process based upon the misinformation supplied to my eye, I thought that I had to err, LONG, when short was the shot.

Perhaps this situation is a function of the pin location, but it sure was an optical illusion that could cause confusion and a bad shot.  

A_Clay_Man

Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2003, 09:35:32 PM »
One of my recent discoveries from all the movement in these here parts, is that it is the undulations that can cause considerable illusion. Even something as simple as a draw or valley, fronting the green, and all of a sudden the natural tendency, is different from flat. Now, throw in something huge like a canyon wall as a backdrop and the magician architect can be very strong. Rio Grande in South Fork, Co. was a perfect example where the grandious of the surrounds combined with a little creaative movement, made for challenging distance selections.

DMoriarty

Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2003, 10:31:54 PM »
Patrick,

Sounds like a great bunker, but could you tell me, is it stylistic or strategic?

Dunlop_White

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Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2003, 10:33:28 PM »


What's Behind the Target?

                                                     
A green without visual containment (a framework of trees) requires golfers to feel the depth and distance to the hole. This effect can be achieved instead when vast expanses of open space loom beyond the green. Whether the background consists of a broad body of water, a stark span of terrain, or an empty skyline, golfers lack visual orientation and must trust their sense of depth in the approach to the hole.

As flagsticks will typically appear as part of the distant horizon, many golfers will reach for a stronger club. Approach shots consequently may carry the green despite all the available yardage information at hand.

What's in front of Target?

Architectural features in front of a green also challenge a golfer's judgment of distance. Cross-bunkers and carry bunkers, which emerge considerably shy of a green complex, often camouflage the remaining distance to the pin. Golfers ordinarily cannot visualize the actual extent of terrain between the carry bunkers and the green. As flagsticks often appear immediately beyond these bunkers, approach shots will routinely fall short of the hole.

What's beside the Target?

The width and dimension of golf holes can also play optical illusions with the target. A green typically appears much larger than it really is when the perspective is carved through a narrow corridor of trees. Likewise, a green often appears much smaller than it actually is when positioned in an open space.

Pat Ruddy, golf architect, explains that these delusions are enhanced when different presentations are offered in a single round. Ruddy says, "give a variety of enclosed settings in valleys or trees followed quickly by panoramic vistas over miles of countryside or sea, and the eye will fairly quiver sending the wrong information back to the command post."

Like diverse light settings, a golfer’s vision can adjust to any one perspective, even if it's nightfall. However, if golfers move back and forth between bright and dark settings, they may lose their sense of focus.

Bill Coore and Ben Crenshaw portray such variations of landscapes at Friar's Head Golf Club in Baiting Hollow, N.Y. The routing swings back and forth from tree-lined dunes off the north shore into windswept meadows closer inland. Ron Whitten, architecture and design editor for Golf Digest, claims that Coore and Crenshaw visually "mix it up better than anyone."

Also, a shot that must be played between two architectural features, (such as between two trees or between two hills) to a distant green creates optical illusions. According to Ruddy, by moving the hills closer together (decreasing the gap) or further away from each other (increasing the gap), or by adjusting the angle in which you must intersect the gap, will in turn lengthen or shrink the perspective of the target.
« Last Edit: August 15, 2003, 02:31:37 AM by Dunlop_White »

Forrest Richardson

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Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2003, 10:46:46 PM »
Classic examples:

1. A large, natural backdrop (ocean, proximal mountain, stack of boulders, huge stand of tall trees, etc.) is directly behind a somewhat downhill shot to a green. Regardless of the sze of the green, the shot will look much farther than it is in reality when the play is perpendicular (toward) such a backdrop.

2. An otherwise ordinary landmark — a sand hazard or abrupt mound — which "should be" at the edge of a green is actually set away, in front, of the putting surface. This creates the illusion of the green being closer.

3. Unusually large hazards compared to others on a course will confuse the golfer into thinking they are closer to the target, especially when such hazards are shaped in the same way as the other, smaller hazards.

4. Opposite of "3" will produce the illusion that the target is farther away.
— Forrest Richardson, Golf Course Architect/ASGCA
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Forrest Richardson

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Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2003, 10:47:33 PM »
Oh, and several rapid shots of whiskey will/can produce similar results.
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Joel_Stewart

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Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2003, 10:56:18 PM »
I'll throw in the 1st at Olympic (Lake) with a rolling fairway and then a cross bunker sitting about 75 yards in front of the green with the green then slightly below and then running away.

No matter how many times I play this hole I always feel like I am guessing because I am confused optically.

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2003, 02:10:32 AM »
Pat, just like the 11th tee at GCGC. Or even better yet the visual deception off of the tee at #7. With all of that beautiful native from the tee to the fairway, it is an imposing propostion--and deceptive. It's further enhanced by another imposing second shot from the fairway, because you seemingly want to go right for some reason. Why?????? Could it be because the fairway went over there in another time? (I think so, and photographic evidence supports this as you know--YOUR THE ONE THAT HAS POINTED IT OUT TO THE MASSES!)

Further decpetion from the right is provided on the approach shot into the green, with its wonderful shaping and somewhat small but still seemingly blind and gaping bunker. It to is optical illusion.

« Last Edit: August 15, 2003, 02:18:19 AM by Tommy_Naccarato »

Mike Benham

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Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2003, 02:18:59 AM »
Joel - I'll agree with the 1st at Olympic Lake but would also nominate the short 7th.  From the fairway, there 3 different trees (or groupings of trees) that distort your depth perception.  The numerous bunkers surrounding the green, coupled with the 3 tiers and the small square footage, makes club selection/shot selection/execution challenging ... the only saving grace is that if you do execute the shot properly and are on the same level as the cup, you may only have at most a 20 foot putt ...
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Patrick_Mucci

Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2003, 08:16:14 AM »
DMoriarty,

Physically, it's stylish, mentally, it's strategic, with the pin location I played.

Tommy Naccarato,

I would agree that you are drawn to the right for your second shot at # 7.  It seems unnatural and awkward to hit it left.
I also feel that some of what Forrest and others have mentioned would come in to play from the right side.
The mound/s would hide the fronting bunker, and distance to the green, creating yet another deception.

Moving the second part of the 7th fairway to the right and filling in the trench bunker on the right with sand is the simplest, least expensive, yet most productive method for greatly enhancing the golf course at GCGC, wouldn't you agree.
« Last Edit: August 15, 2003, 10:36:02 AM by Patrick_Mucci »

Forrest Richardson

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Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2003, 08:38:28 AM »
How about this to answer the original post's question:

A cart path roundtable: The players drive their cart onto a section of path that quickly spins them 30-40 times. They then proceed to the tee where optical illusions will abound.
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Tom_Doak

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Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2003, 08:38:56 AM »
(Not really.)

As for creating great optical illusions, I would wager that 100% of them are created in the field and not via plans.  You have to be out there, and you have to keep your eyes open to the possibilities.

GeoffreyC

Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2003, 09:21:58 AM »
It may not be as apparent from this photo taken somewhat closer to the green (where its surface is partly visable) but the rear bunker with its growth covered hump on the 15th at Boca Rio also appeared to me to be a front bunker.  I was shocked to see it in the rear when I approached the green.  It absolutely created indecision in choosing a club.



PS- So Pat, when can we get your impression of Hidden Creek?
« Last Edit: August 15, 2003, 09:22:47 AM by Geoffrey Childs »

GeoffreyC

Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2003, 10:14:45 AM »
We were playing Baltimore CC (Five Farms) a few weeks ago and I had a very young and inexperienced caddie about 15 years old.  

At I believe the 13th or 14th hole I hit a nice drive into the fairways and we figured the yardage to be at 150.  The caddie said that it sure didn't look that far to which I pointed out the blind dip in the fairway ahead and the rise to the green creating a foreshortening effect.  I told him the architect (AW Tillinghast) must have carefully chosen the tee and greensite to take advantage of that landform to which he responded that "those guys really must have known what they were doing".

I think he learned a bit during that loop.

Patrick_Mucci

Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2003, 10:43:51 AM »
Geoffrey Childs,

I think, if the 15th green at Boca Rio was elevated a little more, the deception would be complete.

With respect to Hidden Creek, I liked the golf course.
I enjoyed the wide playing corridors, undulating greens and proximity of the tees to the previous greens.  It's a very member friendly golf course, fun and sporty to play.

I would imagine, that in the fall, the pace of the greens increases to where putting becomes a real challenge with those contours, and that there is an accentuation on the need for accuracy on your approach shots.

I managed to stay out of all fairway and greenside bunkers so I can't tell you how they played.  Maybe I'll give them a try on my next visit.

GeoffreyC

Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2003, 11:01:10 AM »
Pat

Don't visit any of those bunker at HC on my account  ;)

It sounds like we have very similar views of the course.

Mike_Cirba

Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2003, 11:14:11 AM »
Patrick;

I'll go further than Geoffrey.  

Do you think Hidden Creek is one of the best 100 courses in the US?

Patrick_Mucci

Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2003, 11:19:14 AM »
Mike Cirba,

I'll have to think about that.

Mike_Cirba

Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2003, 11:22:03 AM »
Patrick;

You can let me know your thoughts offline if you'd like.  Thanks.

TEPaul

Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2003, 09:17:09 PM »
I saw an interesting little optical illusion of sorts the other day at the new Stonewall course--Stonewall North.

When you walk across the street and stand on the tee of #11 there's a set of bunkering that sort of defines the short right beginning of the #11 fairway. But when you come around to #17 a longish par 3 that same bunkering appears to belong to the rear of the 17th green!

Another thing that Doak appears to have done at Stonewall North is separate some of the greenside bunkering from the green surfaces lending recovery from those bunkers a bit more interesting and probably harder as the carries onto the greens can be much longer. This is a concept I recall he talked about as an interesting idea in his book "The Anatomy of a Golf Course".

The bunkering at Stonewall North is just extraordinary--without question some of the most beautiful bunkering I've ever seen. And some of that separation of greenside bunkering, as well as areas of large expanses of bunkering also happens to lend the holes--that are almost all open--a really wonderful scale!

To me Stonewall North's bunkering has a real Mackenziesque look--as well as that Mackenzie technique many have heard of which is when you look back from green to tee it almost completely disappears--probably another interesting example of optical illusion!

Patrick_Mucci

Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2003, 09:31:23 PM »
TEPaul,

How far is Stonewall from GMCC ?

DMoriarty

Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2003, 10:39:03 PM »
I am not sure I know of too many holes which create an actual optical illusion, but Hanse and Wanger seem to be pretty adept at creating visually challenging shots, where the golfer is never quite comfortable or confident in what he sees.  

Seems like the real test for these types of holes is whether they still are 'illusive' and/or confusing upon repeat plays.  

Patrick, do you think the hole would still work as described upon repeated play?

Physically, it's stylish, mentally, it's strategic, with the pin location I played.

Sounds like they did a great job; the bunker's style and aesthetic, combined with the style/aesthetic of the green and surroundings, created an optical illusion which actually influenced your play.  Imagine that.

TEPaul

Re:How do you create GREAT optical illusions ?
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2003, 06:02:02 AM »
"How far is Stonewall from GMCC?"

Pat:

If you live in this area it's not a matter of how far but only which way you go. Probably about 35 miles as the homing pigeon flies.

Stonewall is a truly beautiful club--very interesting courses and a wonderful and very unique clubhouse. The Pa Open at the original Stonewall course this week was excellent. Even par won the 54 hole event after the eventual runner-up lost a -5 and seven shot lead on the final nine holes. You want to see the mother of all fescue--come to Stonewall.

It's been very wet around here and I can tell you everything you ever wanted to know about the exact procedure for Identifying your ball as well as how to test for an embedded ball and the most sensible way to drop an embedded ball given slope.

But the rural area of Stonewall is now very golf rich with the new Stonewall North course (absolutely beautiful bunkering) and Hanse's French Creek (also incredibly beautiful bunkering of a different style) across the street.