R&A to vote on admitting women as members

[Eric Smith]

[Carson Pilcher]

Isn't the argument supposed to be that these clubs have the right to choose with whom they associate?  Well, the R&A members have apparently chosen to associate with female members.  And it wasn't decided by the liberal media, but by 85% of the voting members.  So why is it that some of you are complaining?  Aren't you the same ones who are always saying that these clubs' policies are no one else's business?

They were also told by Peter Dawson to vote "yes" if they wanted to keep their membership.  Not really a "free" vote.

[DMoriarty]

They were also told by Peter Dawson to vote "yes" if they wanted to keep their membership.  Not really a "free" vote.

If this were actually true, it'd be interesting.  But is it actually true?

[Jon Wiggett]

They were also told by Peter Dawson to vote "yes" if they wanted to keep their membership.  Not really a "free" vote.

If this were actually true, it'd be interesting.  But is it actually true?

I very much doubt it as influential as he is Mr. Dawson is an employee of the club and there are many members of the R&A better connected in the real world who would not take kindly to been told how to vote.

Jon

[Carl Johnson]

One of my quirks is that I love reading the obituries in the The Telegraph.

Today's issue gives much space to the Duchess of Devonshire.

The penultimate parargraph is as follows; I guess she would have voted NO if a member of the R&A


"Her dislikes included magpies; women who want to join men’s clubs; hotel coat-hangers; and drivers who slow down to go over cattle grids. She regretted the passing of brogues, the custom of mourning, telegrams, the 1662 Prayer Book, pinafores for little boys and Elvis Presley (“the greatest entertainer ever to walk on a stage”)."

Bob

Bob --

What a terrific obit (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11118801/Dowager-Duchess-of-Devonshire-obituary.html). Excerpts from it will appear in my column.

Here's another passage I loved:

Debo took refuge in quaintly odd pursuits. Another sister, Jessica (“Decca”) Mitford, described her spending “silent hours in the chicken house learning to do an exact imitation of the look of pained concentration that comes over a hen’s face when it is laying an egg, and each morning she methodically checked over and listed in a notebook the stillbirths reported in the vital statistics columns of The Times”.

And her insight on consultants is wonderful:

On the modern fashion for hiring business consultants, she wryly observed: “He arrives from London, first class on the train… Most probably he has never been this far north, so the geography and the ways of the locals have to be explained, all taking his valuable time. After a suitable pause of a few weeks (he is very busy being consulted) a beautiful book arrives, telling you what you spent the day telling him.”

[Bob_Huntley]

Isn't the argument supposed to be that these clubs have the right to choose with whom they associate?  Well, the R&A members have apparently chosen to associate with female members.  And it wasn't decided by the liberal media, but by 85% of the voting members.  So why is it that some of you are complaining?  Aren't you the same ones who are always saying that these clubs' policies are no one else's business?

They were also told by Peter Dawson to vote "yes" if they wanted to keep their membership.  Not really a "free" vote.

Carson,

You have to be kidding.

Bob

[DMoriarty]

Carson,

You have to be kidding.

Bob

Well that settles that, then.

[DMoriarty]

And there's this nugget:

"She dealt heroically with her husband’s philandering nature and his weakness for alcohol, and the marriage was a happy one."

His was, at least.

[Jud_T]

Gib,

That's why you need to beat them at their own game. They are upset that these clubs don't have women members. Ok. Fair enough. Lets admit women members. But let's make sure they're hot. Done. Case closed. Move on. Nothing to see here. Channel your inner Kung Fu, Grasshopper, and use their strength against them. Turn the outrage on its head and blow their minds.

That's about the only way I see Butler National ever admitting women:  give memberships to all the hottest strippers and porn stars in town and call it a day.  It's actually sort of genius. 

They'd still have to wear a sport coat to lunch, if nothing else....

[Mark Chaplin]

Carlson - who was your source for that nugget, the person who told you Father Christmas still exists?

[Mike Hendren]

Carlson - who was your source for that nugget, the person who told you Father Christmas still exists?

Say it ain't so Mark.

[Carson Pilcher]

They were also told by Peter Dawson to vote "yes" if they wanted to keep their membership.  Not really a "free" vote.

If this were actually true, it'd be interesting.  But is it actually true?

Sorry for not responding to this earlier.  I've been not really following the thread.

However, I was told this (first-hand) by a member of the R&A.

The writing was on the wall by the media and general public opinion.  Let's take a step back and look at this objectively.  Do you really think the R&A would have made their vote public before the vote if they did not know beyond a shadow of doubt that the vote would be returned as a majority "YES"?

I feel we are all intelligent here.

[Pete Blaisdell]

   This is an old thread but I was bit confused that someone on GCA didn't pick up on a couple of tidbits that I had offered and no onr seemed interested in making some sort of comment.

   Whatever-----

[Carl Nichols]

   This is an old thread but I was bit confused that someone on GCA didn't pick up on a couple of tidbits that I had offered and no onr seemed interested in making some sort of comment.

   Whatever-----

I picked up on them but assumed you shared all of the information you were prepared to share.  If that's not the case, . . .

[Pete Blaisdell]

Carl

  What's your question? If I can give you an answer without putting someone in a compromising postion , I will.

[Bob_Huntley]

They were also told by Peter Dawson to vote "yes" if they wanted to keep their membership.  Not really a "free" vote.
st-hand) by a member of the R&A.

The writing was on the wall by the media and general public opinion.  Let's take a step back and look at this objectively.  Do you really think the R&A would have made their vote public before the vote if they did not know beyond a shadow of doubt that the vote would be returned as a majority "YES"?

I feel we are all intelligent here.

The canard that members were in danger of being expelled from membership for an anti vote is utter nonsense.

Bob





Carson

[Carl Nichols]

Carl

  What's your question? If I can give you an answer without putting someone in a compromising postion , I will.

Well, I was curious about what "promienent lady" was offered and turned down an ANGC membership in the 90's.

[Pete Blaisdell]

Carl

  Since she is still kicken' and active behind the scenes, I'll say this --she's a long time friend, has a history of great play with many successes and she is a world class shopper.

  I know that's not what you wanted but that's all I can give you.

  If you dig deep enough and ask the right people, you don't need me.

[Carson Pilcher]

They were also told by Peter Dawson to vote "yes" if they wanted to keep their membership.  Not really a "free" vote.
st-hand) by a member of the R&A.

The writing was on the wall by the media and general public opinion.  Let's take a step back and look at this objectively.  Do you really think the R&A would have made their vote public before the vote if they did not know beyond a shadow of doubt that the vote would be returned as a majority "YES"?

I feel we are all intelligent here.

The canard that members were in danger of being expelled from membership for an anti vote is utter nonsense.

Bob





Carson

I'll be sure and tell the member your opinion....no not really.  :-)  We will just go about our lives.

As to the word Canard.  Good pull.  I am a pilot, and your sentence made no sense so I looked the definition up.

ca·nard
kəˈnär(d)/Submit
noun
1.
an unfounded rumor or story.
"the old canard that LA is a cultural wasteland"
2.
a small winglike projection attached to an aircraft forward of the main wing to provide extra stability or control, sometimes replacing the tail.

As an unfounded story...I am only saying what a member told me first-hand.  If you choose to not believe it; then so be it.

The Queen of Spain once thought the Earth was flat.

[Bob_Huntley]

Carson,

As a member of the R&A  I am only trying to tell you that your source must have been on the sauce to have come up with the story.

Bob

[Carl Nichols]

Carl

  Since she is still kicken' and active behind the scenes, I'll say this --she's a long time friend, has a history of great play with many successes and she is a world class shopper.

  I know that's not what you wanted but that's all I can give you.

  If you dig deep enough and ask the right people, you don't need me.

I understand the hesitation to say more.  I only asked because you seemed to be inviting questions about your earlier post; I don't care enough to go looking for the anwer.  

[Carson Pilcher]

Carson,

As a member of the R&A  I am only trying to tell you that your source must have been on the sauce to have come up with the story.

Bob

Maybe SHE was...  :-)

At any rate, I'll let you take it up with your fellow member.

[Bob_Huntley]

Carson,

Quite frankly I have no interest in so doing.

Bob

[Lou_Duran]

I played with a member of the R&A some two weeks ago who made the trip to Scotland and participated in the vote.  He said the writing has been on the wall for some time and the momentum for approval was insurmountable.  The R&A knows its place in golf and no coercion took place or was needed.  He was not as sanguine about The Honourable Company of Edinburgh Golf converting any time soon.

[Bob_Huntley]

I played with a member of the R&A some two weeks ago who made the trip to Scotland and participated in the vote.  He said the writing has been on the wall for some time and the momentum for approval was insurmountable.  The R&A knows its place in golf and no coercion took place or was needed.  He was not as sanguine about The Honourable Company of Edinburgh Golf converting any time soon.

Lou,

The normal procedure in anything requiring a vote was that one had to be present at the club. In fairness to those members overseas and unable to attend, it was decided to have a postal or eMail ballot. It is my opinion that in this way the seven or eight percent of those members at the Autumn Meeting, some of whom might well be diehard misogamists, would have little chance of scuppering the the proposal.

Bob