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Steve Okula

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Re: Masters Preview: Tiger, Mrs. Brady, Stevie Wonder & Asteroids
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2014, 01:39:36 PM »
Jay,

Who is that who sings the lead vocals on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away" from The Wake of the Flood album. It's puzzled me for years.
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the big wheel turns by the grace of God.

Tim Pitner

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Re: Masters Preview: Tiger, Mrs. Brady, Stevie Wonder & Asteroids
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2014, 02:07:23 PM »
They use their sex when it sells,  but then demand not to be objectified. I call that out as wrong. Don't feed the beast.

You contribute to the objectification and call foul when Vonn (the object) profits from it.  Why write, essentially, that Vonn isn't your type?  She certainly isn't overrated as a skier. 

Jay Flemma

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Re: Masters Preview: Tiger, Mrs. Brady, Stevie Wonder & Asteroids
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2014, 02:29:44 PM »
Jay,

Who is that who sings the lead vocals on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away" from The Wake of the Flood album. It's puzzled me for years.

They say it's Keith Godchaux, but since the Dead only played it six times I can't be sure.  I prefer 77 to 74
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Gib_Papazian

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« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2014, 02:30:53 PM »
Steve,

The reason you don't recognize the lead vocalist is that aside from "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Keith (Godchaux) only sang backup harmony. In 154 shows (before Jerry died, plus probably 30 after) I cannot recall hearing it live more than once. I always considered it strange that horns were so prevalent in the arrangement because it was written by a piano player. I loved Keith's flowing style and still think that was the best version of the band - even when Brent and Bruce Hornsby were playing together.  

It is almost like people forget the keyboard players between Pigpen and Brent - as if Tom Constantine (with a little overlap) and Keith never existed because they were not singers. In truth I really miss Donna's vocals too and Wake of the Flood is my favorite Dead studio work. I consider Side 2 the most beautifully composed album side since Pink Floyd's Echoes off of Mettle.

As for the article, I read it again this morning with sleep and a clearer head. It is about 1/3 too long (like I am one to accuse anybody of being wordy), drags in a series of disjointed allusions and somehow makes a comparison between Tiger's recent record and Lindsey Vonn. The only thing I can diss on is her poor taste in men.

My gawd, "Hi Mom, do you mind if I bring my congenitally promiscuous boyfriend home for Thanksgiving dinner?"

Best to give their maid the night off unless mom and dad want the help to get porked in the kitchen.

All kidding aside, I am trying to imagine my reaction if my daughter started getting serious about some guy who went on a sexual rampage while married to a bikini model. Maybe he's angling for a twofer with Rachel Uchitel, now that she's spit out yet another idiot stupid enough to climb into the rack with a horny tarantula.


        





        
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Steve Okula

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Re: Masters Preview: Tiger, Mrs. Brady, Stevie Wonder & Asteroids
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2014, 03:31:38 PM »
Well, if that was Keith singing, he had a better voice than either Donna or Brent. Donna tended to sound like a wounded cat and Brent didn’t sing so much as he croaked (unintended pun, but I left it).

Gib, I agree with you, Wake of the Flood was something of a masterpiece, the compositions and arrangements are more refined and sophisticated that Workingman’s Dead or American Beauty, and more inspired than any original work that followed, with the possible exception of Mars Hotel.

The album had some genuine gems, like Stella Blue, Eyes of the World, and Mississippi Half-Step, the latter of which they broke out at Dillon Stadium in Hartford, ’72, and my first show.

What’s more, Keith Godchaux was by far the best keyboard player they ever had, and yes, they did peak while he was with the band. No one before or after could match his fluent improvisations and how they so well complemented the band. Pigpen was primitive, Brent was tinny, and who was that last guy again?
The small wheel turns by the fire and rod,
the big wheel turns by the grace of God.

Jay Flemma

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Re: Masters Preview: Tiger, Mrs. Brady, Stevie Wonder & Asteroids
« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2014, 03:42:13 PM »
I saw 152 shows, all before Jerry died, only a fistful thereafter.  Keith's wife Donna sang far more than he did.  Keith got tossed from the band because his heroin usage was also bringing Jerry down.  

One of the best shows for you to check out is 1-20-79, Shea's Theatre Buffalo, where Keith was "sick" and Donna for some reason or other didn't perform either.  Without those two lugnuts dragging down both the set list and the performance, the band rocked in a new, unexpected direction.  The transition in the "Miracle->Bertha" is outstanding, and the finishing run of Other 1->Dark Star!->Not Fade->Sugar Mags is through the stratosphere.  The transition between NFA and Sugar Mags is one of a kind and absolutely joyful finally once they land in Sugar Magnolia...unlike any other Grateful Dead show ever performed...and you know that as time went on they could get into a rut.

Check it out here:  https://archive.org/details/gd79-01-20.naks.moore.12575.sbeok.shnf

Most people love 74,  but I don't. I find the energy a little listless at times.  There were only four shows in '75, but starting the next year, the energy level started to peak, finally reaching one of the great eras - 77.  Most people love May shows, but I think the Winterland run in June of that year was the best, June 7-9.

With the exception of the Hampton Dark Star show in 89 which I saw, June 9 is my all time fave - Half Step->Jack Straw to open - WOW!, Epic Music Never Stopped to close set 1.

Second set was awesome -  Help on the Way>Slipknot!>Franklin's Tower, Estimated Prophet>St. Stephen>Not Fade Away>Drums>t. Stephen>Terrapin Station>Sugar Magnolia

Stephen>Terrapin>Sugar Mags!!?? That's like Jack winning the Masters in 86!

Gib since I'm a lot younger than you, and my first show was march of 85, I missed a lot of the sick shows you saw, but we probably were at some of the same excellent shows as the 80s wore on.

Anyway to bring the thread back, people who say I didn't shine a light (stones reference) on other golfers in my article don't read my stuff well.  I talk about the following golfers:  Phil, Cabrera, Scott, Bubba, Zach, Patrick Reed, Jason Day, and Kevin Stadler.  It's erroneous to say I neglected the other golfers for Tiger, and it's backwards to say I fed the beast of media Tiger co-dependency I slew it one arrow at a time.

Is it fair comment to say maybe I took a potshot at Lindsay? Yes...upon reflection perhaps you're right, but I think right now she's overrated and overexposed.  

We certainly would be talking exponentially less about her if she wasn't dating Tiger, wouldn't we?  

And much of the exposure is for vapid nonsense - Sammy the Sqiuirrel is exhibit A.  Some people get on my case because I discuss with media co-dependance on Woods and the effect of chasing casual eyeballs, but then say I should focus on Paulina Gretzky? I give you analysis, others give you Sammy the Squirrel.  I leave you to decide which you want - But because some people I refused to let bully me they went off the deep end and became obsessed with trying to make me fail by any means necessary, they'll parse every comma I write.

If you believe 1/8 of the dogcrap some GCAers say about me, then you probably believe 8 times as much as might actually be true.

On the other end of the spectrum, there's those of you that have  met me, played golf with me, had a meal with me, talk to me on the phone, or work with me.  I post my stuff here for you.  With the popularity and circulation of the various outlets I work with, the few extra people from GCA.com that read me are only an incremental addition.  Any idiot who thinks I write for clicks never saw me put in a 20 hour day at a major - and that's pretty much every day. I go for six days and I write 2000 words every day - lead, column, and sidebar - game story, feature, or opinion piece. So don't believe the crap you read about me here or hear from guys who don't know me from the man in the moon. Haters gonna hate, but playa's still gonna play.  Those who give me a fair shot usually come back.

So let's recap - mid 70s GD rocks, Lindsay is a great athlete, but may be chasing exposure in the press, casual eyeballs are not a profitable business model, but you're right, there is a media co-dependency on them and until more mags go under we'll still have to deal with bull like Sammy Squirrel, and my name's Jay ad I love to work hard as a writer so some of you will have a good piece to read.  There's room in sports writing for thought provoking guys like me, just like there's room for direct men like Gib.

Let's enjoy the Masters, all of us...together.

P.S. "That last guy" - Vince Welnick was a bad joke.  We called him Chintz Welnick:)  I'll never forget all f us watching the announcement of the new keyboard player on MTV, and everyone went "WHO??!!"  
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Steve Okula

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Re: Masters Preview: Tiger, Mrs. Brady, Stevie Wonder & Asteroids
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2014, 04:08:26 PM »
I don't know if yopu could blame Keith for bringing Garcia down in the '80's. According to Rock Scully's book, Jerry had his own demons to deal with, and was opium dependent from about 1981 onwards.
The small wheel turns by the fire and rod,
the big wheel turns by the grace of God.

Jay Flemma

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Re: Masters Preview: Tiger, Mrs. Brady, Stevie Wonder & Asteroids
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2014, 04:14:44 PM »
What I was told was Keith and Jerry were going down together, and the band decided they had to kick out Keith to save Jerry as best they could, but that was second hand and back in the '80s.  Once Jerry died and Phish rose to power, I tuned out on the Dead.
Mackenzie, MacRayBanks, Maxwell, Doak, Dye, Strantz. @JayGolfUSA, GNN Radio Host of Jay's Plays www.cybergolf.com/writerscorner

Michael Moore

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Re: Masters Preview: Tiger, Mrs. Brady, Stevie Wonder & Asteroids
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2014, 04:17:46 PM »
Jay -

I am not sure what was so aggressive about that inquiry, but I am deeply curious about your articles, so let me try again.

Do you feel like you are getting adequate editorial support? When I click over to your article and I read "Tiger Woods sound bytes", it just seems unprofessional and, well, blogger-ish.

Also, what is the difference between your CyberGolf platform and TheGolfSpace one?

Metaphor is social and shares the table with the objects it intertwines and the attitudes it reconciles. Opinion, like the Michelin inspector, dines alone. - Adam Gopnik, The Table Comes First

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