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Adam Warren

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Re: If and when the US golf development market rebounds:
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2014, 07:43:00 AM »
It is pretty hard to say with certainty.  I have to feel as though it will not be high end privates, nor will it be your lower end municipals either.  One has to believe somewhere in between.  To the point, aren't we running out of really great land?  Sure, some is being found in the midwest, but as far as the more highly populated, metropolitan type areas, it would seem that a lot of the great land has been used or at least pieces of it have been used that do not allow for truly great golf development. 

Trends are hard to predict.  It may be that the market doesn't shift a large amount upward for 20 years.  The people that are golfers in 20 years may be curious about the private sector and be looking for higher end golf.  They might be tired of all the local public golf.  They could also be more realistic about feasibility of maintaining that high end private, and elect to go with a semi-private, which is probably the most sustainable long term with the way the market has shaped out.  The short answer is we don't know, but being speculative, I have to say that semi-private type route is the most likely to thrive.  I just worry that the land isn't there in our more highly populated areas due to the already developed courses, as well as the growth of the suburbs housing development in those markets.  As someone already said, redevelopment is about all thats left with the exception of the recent trend of building destinations in far out places.

BCowan

Re: If and when the US golf development market rebounds:
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2014, 08:21:42 AM »
PM

   Pinehurst keeps getting overlooked.  They do not over seed.  I have been told they put an application/paint on their fairways in the dormant season to insulate the Bermuda.  So there is a way to compromise and have F&F with the color green for the people that haven't considered the benefits of F&F.  If someone could tell me the Pinehurst application that would be great.  I think Pinehurst (semi private) is more of a mainstream revolution than Seminole.  
Pinehurst doesn't overseed? You mean #2 doesn't overseed. I was there late last fall and I saw a lot of rye grass.
I mean Pinehurst #2, sorry.  Did you see Rye grass on #2? 

I just got an email from another Pinehurst friend this morning who said  ''Played out there last week again and can confirm that all is paint/dye. with no over seeding. Intel is that they want to minimize the thatch to promote healthier Bermuda and keep rye from competing  for early season nutrients when the Bermuda is ready to take off.''
« Last Edit: March 11, 2014, 08:34:39 AM by BCowan »

Michael Whitaker

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Re: If and when the US golf development market rebounds:
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2014, 09:09:06 AM »
Here you go, Pat...

This is a link to a USGA Southeast Green Section webinar on painting fairways. It should answer most (if not all) of your questions:

http://www.usga.org/videohub.aspx#&&/wEXBAUQdGF4U3ViQ2F0ZWdvcnlJZAULMjE0NzUwMzg4ODAFDXRheENhdGVnb3J5SWQFCzE3MTc5ODY5NDgzBQZpdGVtSWQFCzIxNDc0ODU1NTA3BQp2aWRQYWdlTnVtBQExwoXWN6GYBG6MAMcL74KOnoS1am8=
"Solving the paradox of proportionality is the heart of golf architecture."  - Tom Doak (11/20/05)

Lou_Duran

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Re: If and when the US golf development market rebounds:
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2014, 11:44:30 AM »
A:  Upscale private courses, some affiliated with residential development, in high growth areas.  These will be outpaced considerably by closures as our fiscal chickens come home to roost, population trends continue to decline among groups who play golf, and younger people have other preferences for how they use their time and limited resources.  I wouldn't doubt that we'll lose 25% of our courses over the next 50 years.  Caution: my crystal ball has been dropped a few times.

Randy Thompson

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Re: If and when the US golf development market rebounds:
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2014, 12:17:22 PM »
I would like to know the stats of the last 30 years when the US was averaging a new course per day and what were the percentage of these courses from each catagory. I would GUESS the majority of these were from associated Real Estate projects with golf as an amenity. They generated profit from lot sales or spec housing or condo´s and only 25% of the buyers were golfers. It was a win-win situation and home owner were attracted because of the long term appeciation of their property. The formula needs to be adjusted but will still work as the market in general comes back and based on the economy in general which looking at the stock markets is on the rebound and here in Chile the dollars has rebounded to the tune of 20% after fifteen years of steady decline. The major adjustment will be where Mike has targeted, design/construct and no big names and efficent and mínimum irrigation is the key.
Mike,
Eliminate working spouses and you lose 50% of the current architects! That statement could be a shock to some but, I think your on the conservative side!

ChipRoyce

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Re: If and when the US golf development market rebounds:
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2014, 01:16:04 PM »
Higher End /CC4Day daily fee masquerading as Semi-Private.