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Matt, I ran the day-to-day construction at Sagebrush and can tell you, for a fact, that we moved about half as much earth as I originally thought was going to be required to create the course. Dick's right, we did move a lot of material (including a lot of blasting of rock) to create the fairway at the 8th hole (the tees were elevated, the green site was pretty much there… with some shaping). #5 fairway also required some significant fill, and #11 was a big construction job. But 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18 didn't take much other than filling tee and greens sites, and digging bunkers. Cabot Links (where I was also heavily involved with planning and construction work) took as much artificial construction work. Rod is a genius at contouring the ground (personally, with a 'dozer), really. His work at Cabot Links will 'trick' many golfers, forever, into thinking those holes were 'found' on natural links-type-land, there. No the case at all, Cabot is more comparable to a Kingsbarns type project than any of the courses at Bandon, for example. There's way more artificial contouring in the fairways at Cabot than Sagebrush. And, what's it matter… it's just good
From what I've read and gathered, Riviera figures into this.
There was a lot of earth moved to create the 18th hole a Riviera; I believe the entire middle of the hole was originally a canyon.
Quote from: Pete Lavallee on January 13, 2014, 09:50:43 PMThere was a lot of earth moved to create the 18th hole a Riviera; I believe the entire middle of the hole was originally a canyon.Pete,Are you talking about the landing area as opposed to the green site or the hill tee shot have to hit over?
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Battle Creek (former Sequatchie Valley Golf Club) in S. Pittsburg, TN. Just look at the before and after pictures in this guide: http://issuu.com/kingcollinsgolf/docs/booklet_complete_reducedEach hole at Sequatchie/Battle Creek was a large earthmoving job. Holes 1-6 were all filled with dirt from the two lakes that we created and 7-9 were balanced, but a lot of dirt was moved on each of the latter group in order to make the drainage and strategy work. It was a fun project. 99.9% of the design work was done in the field...
I've played a handful of Donald Ross' courses and my top two--Timuquana and Brunswick CC--may be the flattest golf courses I've ever played. The green complexes are completely built up and they are just phenomenal. So, those two courses get my vote, in particular because they could be pretty much exactly replicated on big enough flat sites. To me that's more valuable than a course like a Whistling Straits, which while impressive (I'm assuming, having never been there), seems gratuitous by comparison.
Quote from: Tim Gavrich on February 03, 2014, 02:32:44 PMI've played a handful of Donald Ross' courses and my top two--Timuquana and Brunswick CC--may be the flattest golf courses I've ever played. The green complexes are completely built up and they are just phenomenal. So, those two courses get my vote, in particular because they could be pretty much exactly replicated on big enough flat sites. To me that's more valuable than a course like a Whistling Straits, which while impressive (I'm assuming, having never been there), seems gratuitous by comparison.This weekend I am going to be in the Brunswick area visiting my grandmother, is Brunswick CC worth trying to play? If so, how well did DIII's renovation follow with the original Ross design?
Quote from: Rees Milikin on February 03, 2014, 05:05:06 PMQuote from: Tim Gavrich on February 03, 2014, 02:32:44 PMI've played a handful of Donald Ross' courses and my top two--Timuquana and Brunswick CC--may be the flattest golf courses I've ever played. The green complexes are completely built up and they are just phenomenal. So, those two courses get my vote, in particular because they could be pretty much exactly replicated on big enough flat sites. To me that's more valuable than a course like a Whistling Straits, which while impressive (I'm assuming, having never been there), seems gratuitous by comparison.This weekend I am going to be in the Brunswick area visiting my grandmother, is Brunswick CC worth trying to play? If so, how well did DIII's renovation follow with the original Ross design?Definitely make time to get in 36 at BCC. Dan Hogan is a great guy and I'm sure he'll do anything he can to accommodate you. The "wings" on a number of the greens are pretty wild. Cheap beer too.