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Howard Riefs

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #200 on: December 10, 2015, 02:01:32 PM »
Story about Sand Valley from Matt Ginella on "Morning Drive" Architect Week...


http://www.golfchannel.com/media/boy-scouts-america-offer-land-mike-keiser/




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Andrew Buck

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #201 on: May 18, 2016, 05:20:51 PM »
Just received an e-mail saying that preview play is now open.

Sorry if German.
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Bill Seitz

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #202 on: May 19, 2016, 12:12:21 AM »
Quote from: Andrew Buck on May 18, 2016, 05:20:51 PM

Sorry if German.


Man, I haven't heard that since the old Illiniboard.
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John McCarthy

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #203 on: May 19, 2016, 01:48:04 PM »
Just got an email, SV is open for preview.  $70 per round.  18 open plus maybe some others.
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Andrew Buck

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #204 on: May 19, 2016, 02:17:54 PM »
talked to them last night.  9 holes are open but you can play that 9 twice for 18.  There will be some days that extra holes are open.  Need to reach out to arrange the limited play, and it appears they will have very limited times available initially.
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David Schofield

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #205 on: May 27, 2016, 09:49:57 PM »
I played it today.  Holes 1-9 are open for preview play as Andrew stated.  Holes 10, 16, 17 and 18 look close to ready.  Holes 11-15 are in varying stages of construction.  It is my understanding that they are hoping to have all 18 open for preview play by September 1.
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Phil McDade

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #206 on: May 28, 2016, 09:27:43 AM »
A review from the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel's longtime golf writer:


http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/381085081.html



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Mark Bourgeois

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #207 on: May 28, 2016, 12:32:49 PM »
Quote from: Phil McDade on May 28, 2016, 09:27:43 AM
A review from the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel's longtime golf writer:


http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/381085081.html

Hahahaha!
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Keith OHalloran

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #208 on: May 28, 2016, 02:00:24 PM »
Quote from: Mark Bourgeois on May 28, 2016, 12:32:49 PM
Quote from: Phil McDade on May 28, 2016, 09:27:43 AM
A review from the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel's longtime golf writer:


http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/381085081.html

Hahahaha!


Mark, I often do not see what you do. What is funny in the story?
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Mark Bourgeois

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #209 on: May 28, 2016, 02:36:19 PM »
Guy plays nine holes, declares course one of best publics in America.

Looking forward to his recommendations for best first halves of movies and top halves of paintings.
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William_G

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #210 on: May 28, 2016, 02:43:07 PM »
Quote from: Mark Bourgeois on May 28, 2016, 02:36:19 PM
Guy plays nine holes, declares course one of best publics in America.

Looking forward to his recommendations for best first halves of movies and top halves of paintings.

LOL

In Sand Valley's case the reality will most likely exceed the hype...just like Keiser's other projects, and unlike Star Wars #??? and most everything else
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Eric Smith

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #211 on: May 28, 2016, 11:56:51 PM »
Quote from: William_G on May 28, 2016, 02:43:07 PM
Quote from: Mark Bourgeois on May 28, 2016, 02:36:19 PM
Guy plays nine holes, declares course one of best publics in America.

Looking forward to his recommendations for best first halves of movies and top halves of paintings.

LOL

In Sand Valley's case the reality will most likely exceed the hype...just like Keiser's other projects, and unlike Star Wars #??? and most everything else

If you're talking about Episode VII then I think you're mistaken. Definitely met the hype and in my opinion exceeded it.
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archie_struthers

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« Reply #212 on: May 29, 2016, 06:07:23 AM »
II ;D ???


I'm available



Think he'd interview a second time starter?
« Last Edit: May 30, 2016, 06:46:49 AM by archie_struthers »
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Keith OHalloran

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #213 on: May 29, 2016, 08:36:16 AM »
Quote from: Mark Bourgeois on May 28, 2016, 02:36:19 PM
Guy plays nine holes, declares course one of best publics in America.

Looking forward to his recommendations for best first halves of movies and top halves of paintings.


Didn't Tom Doak give Sand Hills a 10 before it was open?
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #214 on: May 29, 2016, 08:53:55 AM »
Quote from: Keith OHalloran on May 29, 2016, 08:36:16 AM

Didn't Tom Doak give Sand Hills a 10 before it was open?


Sand Hills opened? Am I the only guy who missed this?


RE: Sand Valley...Acorn...Tree...nice metaphor.
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William_G

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #215 on: May 29, 2016, 12:57:52 PM »
Eric,

for VII only 6 months out, despite it's commercial success, I've already forgotten about it except for Rey,,,Hype or Hype Not

destroy another death star, yawn

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/12/star-wars-reviews-force-awakens/420594/

Sand Valley will go and on and on and on, we're "Talking Body"
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Eric Smith

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #216 on: May 29, 2016, 02:21:06 PM »
Darth Smiledoc - Thanks for the link. For me, opening night was a first time at Friar's Head experience and one I'll hopefully not forget (despite having seen the movie now many more times.)

Anyway, I think it's silly to compare a movie to a golf course but as far as the hype argument goes, you'd have to be living on Dantooine to believe that The Force Awakens didn't live up to the massive expectations bestowed upon it. Nothing should have to be perfect to be a success. As long as it evokes feeling and, if lucky, sustains it, then by gum you've won me. I wish I could bottle the moment I heard Snoke telling Kylo Ren (and the audience!) that the droid was in the hands of his father, Han Solo. That's the E green at Ballyneal shit right there. 8) Ok, so maybe we can compare film and golf courses. ;D

I'm sorry for the derailment ... May the Force be with you.
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William_G

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #217 on: May 29, 2016, 03:18:11 PM »
hahaha

Love Friar's Head, remember it very well with only one visit...no hype needed

Sand Valley needs no hype, yet the 9-hole preview is hardly the crapola kind of hype our society happily and eagerly consumes daily

 8)  8)
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Eric Smith

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #218 on: May 29, 2016, 03:39:32 PM »
Quote from: William_G on May 29, 2016, 03:18:11 PM

Sand Valley needs no hype, yet the 9-hole preview is hardly the crapola kind of hype our society happily and eagerly consumes daily

 8)  8)

I agree with you. A friend is playing there today and just posted some photos on his Facebook - really really special piece of land and GCA it looks like. See you there in 2017.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #219 on: May 29, 2016, 04:18:00 PM »
Quote from: Keith OHalloran on May 29, 2016, 08:36:16 AM

Didn't Tom Doak give Sand Hills a 10 before it was open?


Actually, I gave Sand Hills a 9 in the limited-edition Confidential Guide from 1994, based on walking it in the dirt.  I don't think that was an example of over-hyping a course, it was just an early recognition.


Note that architects are perhaps a bit more qualified than others to rate a course from what they see in the dirt, since it is our milieu when we are working on our own projects.  However, I would have to watch a bunch of people play a course before I gave it a 10.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #220 on: May 29, 2016, 04:31:29 PM »
Quote from: William_G on May 29, 2016, 12:57:52 PM
Eric,

for VII only 6 months out, despite it's commercial success, I've already forgotten about it except for Rey,,,Hype or Hype Not

destroy another death star, yawn

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/12/star-wars-reviews-force-awakens/420594/


William,

Can't agree more.  Its like they shut all the writers into the room and said you aren't leaving until you come up with something.  So they took episode IV, made a few tweaks and voila....Star Wars all over again!!  ;D
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Eric Smith

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #221 on: May 29, 2016, 04:53:33 PM »
Quote from: Kalen Braley on May 29, 2016, 04:31:29 PM
Quote from: William_G on May 29, 2016, 12:57:52 PM
Eric,

for VII only 6 months out, despite it's commercial success, I've already forgotten about it except for Rey,,,Hype or Hype Not

destroy another death star, yawn

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/12/star-wars-reviews-force-awakens/420594/


William,

Can't agree more.  Its like they shut all the writers into the room and said you aren't leaving until you come up with something.  So they took episode IV, made a few tweaks and voila....Star Wars all over again!!  ;D

Worked for Macdonald and Raynor. ;)
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #222 on: May 29, 2016, 05:04:33 PM »
Quote from: Eric Smith on May 29, 2016, 04:53:33 PM
Quote from: Kalen Braley on May 29, 2016, 04:31:29 PM
Quote from: William_G on May 29, 2016, 12:57:52 PM
Eric,

for VII only 6 months out, despite it's commercial success, I've already forgotten about it except for Rey,,,Hype or Hype Not

destroy another death star, yawn

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/12/star-wars-reviews-force-awakens/420594/


William,

Can't agree more.  Its like they shut all the writers into the room and said you aren't leaving until you come up with something.  So they took episode IV, made a few tweaks and voila....Star Wars all over again!!  ;D

Worked for Macdonald and Raynor. ;)

But unlike MacDonald and Raynor courses....there's only way to "play" star wars with the same outcome again and again!!  ;)
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Joel_Stewart

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #223 on: May 29, 2016, 06:10:41 PM »


Definitely met the hype and in my opinion exceeded it.



A friend of mine played it. He's a member at Pine Valley and close to the 14 club limit.  Said it's unlike anything he's ever seen.
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Mark Bourgeois

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Re: Sand Valley first , second , and third course architects, fourth?
« Reply #224 on: May 29, 2016, 07:49:17 PM »
Now we're getting somewhere -- Joel, how does the back compare to the front? Similarities, differences, etc? And how did you find the overall routing, rhythm, etc?
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