[Adrian_Stiff]

1   TURNBERRY   45   6976   70   1906   Mackenzie / Ross
2   ROYAL TROON   36   7171   71   1878   Charles Hunter
3   PRESTWICK   18   6668   71   1851   Tom Morris
4   WESTERN GAILES   18   6639   71   1897   Willie Park
5   TURNBERRY KINTYRE   45   6719   71   2001   Donald Steele
6   GLASGOW GAILES   18   6535   71   1892   Willie Park Jnr & W Tulloch
7   TROON PORTLAND   36   6289   71      Willie Fernie Subred: Dr A MacKenzie
8   KILMARNOCK BARRASIE   27   6484   72   1887   Theodore Moon
9   WEST KILBRIDE   18   6452   71   1893   Tom Morris & James Braid
10   IRVINE   18   6408   71   1887   James Braid
11   PRESTWICK ST NICHOLAS   18   5952   69   1877   Charlie Hunter
12   LARGS   18   6115   30   1891  David Adams re:   J H Stutt
13   PRESTWICK ST CUTHBERT   18   6470   71   1899    new course 1963 J H Stutt
14   SHISKINE   12   2990   42   1896   Willie Fernie
15   BRUNSTON CASTLE   18   6792   72   1992   Donald Steele
16   ARDEER   18   6409   72   1880 re:   Hamilton Stutt
17   TROON DARLEY   54   6501   72      Willie Fernie
18   IRVINE RAVENSPARK   18   6429   71   1907   
18   BELLEISLE   18   6477   72   1927   James Braid
19   LOUDOUN GOWF   18   6016   69   1909   
20   ROUTENBURN   18   5650   68   1914   James Braid
20   TROON LOCHGREEN   54   6785   72   Willie Fernie   
21   BEITH   18   4625   68   1896   
22   BRODICK   18   4736   64   1897   
23   SKELMORLIE   18   5030   65   1891   James Braid
23   DALMILLING   18   5724   68   1961   
24   GIRVAN   18   5095   64   1860   James Braid
24   LOCHRANZA   18   5470   70   1991   I M Robertson
25   SEAFIELD   18   5498   66   1930   
27   TROON FULLARTON   54   4822   63Willie Fernie      
28   CORRIE   9   1948   61   1892   
29   DOON VALEY   9   5858   70   1927   
30   MACHRIE BAY   9   2200   62   1900   Willie Fernie
31   MUIRKIRK   9   5366   67   1991   
32   MAYBOLE   9   2635   66   1970   
33   AUCHENHARVIE   9   5300   66   1981   Michael Struthers
34   NEW CUMNOCK   9   2588   66   1902   Willie Fernie
35   ANNAHILL   18   6270   70   1957   J McLean
36   BALLOCHMYLE   18   5952   69   1937   
37   CAPRINGTON   27   5810   68      
39   KILBIRNIE PLACE   18   5411   67   1922   
40   LAMLASH   18   4640   64   1889   Auchterlonie / Fernie
41   TURNBERRY ARRAN   9   1996   31      
44   WHITING BAY   18   4405   63   1895   
45    DUNDONALD 2009 Kyle Phillips
46   MILLPORT 1888 RE:James Braid 1912
NLE Millport ceased 1924
47 ROWALLAN CASTLE 18 Colin Montgomerie
48 ROODLEA GOLF CENTRE
IF YOU CAN FILL ANY OF THE GAPS AND ARE NOT ON GCA PLEASE EMAIL ME adrian@theplayersgolfclub.com

[Ally Mcintosh]

Looks like you could be missing Millport, a lovely scenic island course. 18 holes designed in 1888 by members and altered by Braid in 1912. Also just discovered they built a second course that was abandoned in 1924.

[Jason Walker]

Dundonald?

[David_Tepper]

Irvine, James Braid
Prestwick St. Cuthbert, Stutt & Co.
Machrie Bay, Willie Fernie
Auchenharvie,  Michael Struthers

[Tony_Muldoon]

Has anyone played the followng courses? 


8   KILMARNOCK BARRASIE   27   6484   72   1887   Theodore Moon
9   WEST KILBRIDE   18   6452   71   1893   Tom Morris & James Braid
10   IRVINE   18   6408   71   1887   
11   PRESTWICK ST NICHOLAS   18   5952   69   1851   Charlie Hunter
12   LARGS   18   6115   30   1891   J H Stutt
13   PRESTWICK ST CUTHBERT   18   6470   71   1899   


A local once went to great lengths to convince me that Ayshire had both some of the most expensive Links courses in GB&I and some of the best value.  He spoke sense about the well known courses of Scotland so I've been curious to know more about these particular secondary courses.

[Mark Pearce]

Tony,

I have played Barrassie, Prestwick St Nicks and Largs.  A long time ago, in the case of the first two, though!

[Niall C]

Adrian

Have to dash but off the top of my head;

TURNBERRY - Fernie/Weir/Colt/MacKenzie Ross (depending on whether you want to count the earlier iterations)
ROYAL TROON - Strath/Fernie/Dr MacKenzie/Braid/Ebert (sorry can't recall who did the changes in the 1960's.)
PRESTWICK - Morris/Dr MacKenzie/Braid/possibly Simpson
WESTERN GAILES - Fernie (I think)/Hugh McMillan (long term greenkeeper)/Willie Park
TURNBERRY KINTYRE - Donald Steel redesigned/extended existing course that I think might have been Braid ?
GLASGOW GAILES - Tulloch/Park submitted seperate designs and committee did a pick and mix. Tulloch, who was the greenkeeper, carried out the work.
TROON PORTLAND - Fernie/altered later by Fernie/ Dr MacKenzie (virtually new course)
KILMARNOCK BARASSIE - I think Moon did a redesign of an earlier course. Don't know but suspect Fernie (who else !) might have had a hand in original layout.
IRVINE - not sure who laid this out originally but Hilton carried out a major redesign before WW1 but members didn't like it and club reverted back to way it was before. Every chance Braid might have paid a visit at some point but suspect too early for him to have laid out original course but could very well be wrong.
PRESTWICK ST NICH'S - Hunter & Allen (?)
LARGS - David Adams
PRESTWICK ST CUTHBERT - is this not the club that had to move to make way for Prestwick Airport and therefore course wouldn't be from 1899.
BRUNSTON CASTLE - this is indeed a Donald Steel although I think I'm right in saying Tom MacKenzie had a big hand in the design. Also GCA'er and golf course construction man David Nelson cut his teeth on this course.
ARDEER - course relocated, much later than 1880.
TROON DARLEY - Fernie
TROON LOCHGREEN - Fernie

Niall

[Rich Goodale]

Tony

I've played West Kilbride several times over the past 3-4 years and rate it very highly.  It is a pure links course with many interesting holes, several very challenging ones and a few quirky ones to add spice to the experience.  To me it's easily one of the 50 most interesting Scottish courses, in the same league as Tain, Golspie, Forfar, Lundin, Glenbervie, Lanark and even Elie.  In addition to the great golf there is a great and welcoming clubhouse for the apres golf.  If you get a chance to play it, do.

Rich

[Niall C]

Has anyone played the followng courses? 


8   KILMARNOCK BARRASIE   27   6484   72   1887   Theodore Moon
9   WEST KILBRIDE   18   6452   71   1893   Tom Morris & James Braid
10   IRVINE   18   6408   71   1887   
11   PRESTWICK ST NICHOLAS   18   5952   69   1851   Charlie Hunter
12   LARGS   18   6115   30   1891   J H Stutt
13   PRESTWICK ST CUTHBERT   18   6470   71   1899   


A local once went to great lengths to convince me that Ayshire had both some of the most expensive Links courses in GB&I and some of the best value.  He spoke sense about the well known courses of Scotland so I've been curious to know more about these particular secondary courses.

Tony

I've played the first four and they are all great fun. They do tend to get overshadowed by the other big links in the area ie. Turnberry, Troon, Prestwick and to an extent Western Gailes but still terrific golf. Haven't played any of them lately but from what I recall I would actually put West Kilbride last of the four, however if Rich rates that highly I clearly need to pay it another visit.

Largs - is there more than one course in Largs ? - if it's the Routenburn course then I've heard some good things about it. That's where Bob and Sam Torrance played there golf. The Prestwick St Cuthberts course is a fairly dull parkland if its the course I'm thinking of. Played it once in an outing and can't recall a redeeming feature however could be thinking of wrong course.

Niall

[Niall C]

Dundonald there was an earlier course designed jointly by Tulloch and Fernie before WW1 from memory but the course was used for war purposes during WWII. The course never re-opened and the ground lay fallow until the Council sold it off for a golf course development at the turn of the century. The present course was designed by Kyle Phillips (not David McLay Kidd) and as far as I know there has been no substantive changes.

Niall

[Adam Lawrence]

You are missing Rowallan Castle, which opened a couple of years ago, designed by Ross McMurray of EGD (Erm, Colin Montgomerie <cough>).

[John Avram]

I noticed that Roodlea Golf Centre is not on your list.  http://www.roodleagolf.co.uk/

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