Crossing holes

[Jeff_Mingay]

Thanks for all the responses, interesting stuff.

Here's an overhead look at Claremont in Oakland, CA. Dr. Mackenzie getting the most out of a difficult property:

[Dunlop_White]

We have one teeing area that serves two parallel holes at Old Town. To date, the left tee markers have served the left hole (hole 9) and the right tee markers have served the right hole (hole 18). At Bill Coore's suggestion, we will cross the tee markers. The left hole looks and plays much better from the right tee markers, and the right hole looks and plays much better from the left markers. To date, we have not made this change official -- as we are working through the best way of communicating the criss-cross to the golfer, specifically guests.

[Sean_A]

Dunlop

I reckon you should only put out one set of tees for 9 & 18 - covering the width of the tee box.  Let the player choose his teeing spot.  

Ciao

[Mark Pearce]

The drive on the 3rd at Alwoodley crosses the 16th fairway.

[Dunlop_White]

Sean -- Yes, I like the 2 tee marker option for its simplicity. (playing either hole from the width of just 2 tee markers vs 4) The problem is that the teeing ground is so large. For the holes to work the best (from far left side and the far right side) the two tee markers effectively must be placed at around 25 yards apart (vs the typical 6 to 7). Is this width ok? At that width, the markers may be difficult to see. In my opinion, the two tee marker option will only work if you place them 15 yards apart, but move them around the width of the teeing area on daily basis. Thoughts?

[Michael Felton]

1 and 18 at Royal Ashdown Forest also cross over each other. They share a fairway and landing area. That can make for some delays, although whenever I've been there it's been pretty quiet.

[Jeff_Mingay]

We have one teeing area that serves two parallel holes at Old Town. To date, the left tee markers have served the left hole (hole 9) and the right tee markers have served the right hole (hole 18). At Bill Coore's suggestion, we will cross the tee markers. The left hole looks and plays much better from the right tee markers, and the right hole looks and plays much better from the left markers. To date, we have not made this change official -- as we are working through the best way of communicating the criss-cross to the golfer, specifically guests.

Interesting, Dunlop.

I just had a look at Old Town Club on Google Earth to see how this works. It's very similar to the situation I mention in my initial post on this thread, except I think 9 and 18 at your place is a bit wider than the area I'm working with... which is better, of course.

[Richard Hetzel]

Fort Mitchell CC (Bendelow) in Northern Kentucky near Cincinnati has crossing holes. It didn't seem to be a problem at the time when I played it. That type of design definitely creates an increased quirk factor.

[Niall C]

The most dangerous holes on a great course thread reminded me of the 6th and 7th at Prestwick St Nich's which cross although not a design I would recommend to anyone. Great course though, in my opinion.

Jeff's mention of Dr MacK also reminds me of Pitreavie where the good doctor had one hole crossing another.

Niall