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Bryan Izatt

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Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« on: October 09, 2013, 03:41:31 AM »
Can you name the course and hole that this bridle path was on in 1926?  




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Mark Pearce

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2013, 03:45:57 AM »
The island in the background doesn't look right, otherwise I'd say it might be the bridle path crossing the 12th at Elie.
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Bryan Izatt

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2013, 03:51:08 AM »
No, it's not Elie.
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Jon Wiggett

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2013, 03:58:20 AM »
North Berwick?
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2013, 04:13:42 AM »
Quote from: Jon Wiggett on October 09, 2013, 03:58:20 AM
North Berwick?
Seconded.
Which hole though?
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Sean_A

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2013, 04:39:16 AM »
I agree with north Berwick probably looking at Fidra.  The caddie and golfer may be heading up the back of the bank toward Point Garry In.  I think in 1926 In and Out were double green with In being the 17th played to the seaside section of the green and Out being the 1st played to the inland side of the green.  

It is interesting to see what looks like a cottage on the shore.  There was a house at Eil Burn which the club purchased for £15, but I don't know if it was on the shore.

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Bill_McBride

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2013, 07:13:34 AM »
I think that's the second tee above.  One of my fondest memories of North Berwick was playing a six iron off wet sand onto the green the first visit there.  The caddy stood on the top of the bank and gave me a perfect line!

At Crail that tee shot is out of bounds, but the beach is in play at North Berwick!   If the tide is out....
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Simon Holt

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2013, 08:10:53 AM »
Where did you find that Brian?  Cool picture.  That is now the bunker in front of the ridge on 17.
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2013, 08:12:34 AM »
A genuine example of bunker created by natural causes rather than built?... Great if that's the case....
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Bryan Izatt

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2013, 11:36:28 AM »
You guys are too good and quick.  It is indeed North Berwick and is now the trench bunker below the 17th green and 2nd tee - proof positive that not all bunkers were originally created by sheep.  The picture is from the December 1926 edition of Golf Illustrated.








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Mark Pearce

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2013, 12:23:33 PM »
Bryan,

What a great find.  I'll never look at that bunker the same way.  It always seemed rather artificial to me, in a rather forced sense, now it makes far more sense.
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Bryan Izatt

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2013, 01:30:10 PM »
A  neat example of the evolution of the older Scottish courses isn't it. I bet they didn't rake the bridle path back in the day.
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2013, 01:39:30 PM »
Quote from: Bryan Izatt on October 09, 2013, 01:30:10 PM
A neat example of the evolution of the older Scottish courses isn't it. I bet they didn't rake the bridle path back in the day.
Interesting that they turned this bridleway into a bunker. Over the decades many other pathways have became surfaced in some way or another. Even the pathway across the 1st/18th at TOC is tarmac'd, although I believe it's play it as it lies rather than a free drop.
Out of interest, when did the rule/local rule start to apply that you could get free relief from paths?
All the best.
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2013, 10:15:45 AM »
A terrific set of photos from essentially same spot, then and now.  Was the tide out in the old one, or has the ocean risen notably?
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Frank Pont

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2013, 10:21:23 AM »
Can we restore the old situation, looks much better than the current tape worm bunker......
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Cliff Walston

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2013, 12:05:09 PM »
Quote from: Frank Pont on October 10, 2013, 10:21:23 AM
Can we restore the old situation, looks much better than the current tape worm bunker......

Agreed.  I was just thinking the same thing.

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John McCarthy

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2013, 07:27:11 PM »
If that bunker was not maintained and raked it would be a demon of a hazard.  If restored do you want horse hoofs in there?  Or just a more ragged edge?
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Sean_A

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2013, 03:17:24 AM »
On Burnham's 13th there is a bridleway in play which isn't raked, but it is in a less prominent position.  I don't think it would be wise to treat NB's path in the same way.


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Jon Wiggett

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2013, 03:52:24 AM »
Sean,

I really like the way the bridle path is at B&B. At Dewsbury there were several bridleways paved with rough stone which was horrible to play off. A sandy option seems like a good solution and I think you will find that there is free relief from an animal impression. Why rake this what got us into the mess when it comes to bunkers ;)

Jon
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Sean_A

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Re: Guess the Bridle Path on a Golf Course
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2013, 04:02:17 AM »
Jon

There is no free relief from the Bridle path at Burnham, but I bet that changes sometime - loads of people hate the idea.  I like it because it makes one take pause on the tee.  Plus, one can still wedge it out, put the ball on the green and two-putt for a par.  NB's situation is a bit different where tons of balls will finish in the bunker.  The shot is already very demanding and I expect there are plenty Xs marked on the card for those in the bunker.  I can't see the value in trying to make the shot harder by roughing up the bunker.  Looks ain't everything.  Now, if they could flatten the area, but leave sand and not call it a hazard, that may work.  But I guarantee to keep that area flatish the grounds crew will have to work on it every year or soon it will be a narrow gulley with virtually no chance of recovery.  

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