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Eric Smith

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2013, 09:37:47 AM »
Sebonack
Dismal River
Renaissance (before)
Ballyneal
Streamsong
Heathland
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2013, 09:37:56 AM »
Dismal Red
Pacific Dunes
Lost Dunes
BN Doak
Quail Crossing
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Mac Plumart

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2013, 09:38:09 AM »
Dismal River
Old MacDonald
Sebonack
Rock Creek
Pacific Dunes
Streamsong
Renaissance old
Ballyneal

All that I've played are REALLY good!

Walked Commonground.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2013, 09:40:27 AM by Mac Plumart »
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Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Mark Pritchett

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2013, 09:40:50 AM »
Sebonack
Ballyneal
Common Ground
Charlotte Golf Links
Black Forest
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Greg Taylor

Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2013, 09:42:14 AM »
Only two for me but I would put Old Mac above Pac Dunes on the basis that Old Mac was for me, a unique experience.

Pac Dunes was excellent, too, but reminded me of a couple of courses in Scotland so less memorable... may be for the wrong reasons, if you understand my point.
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Mark Bourgeois

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2013, 09:44:54 AM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on September 24, 2013, 09:00:17 AM
Quote from: Jim Colton on September 24, 2013, 08:49:22 AM
Tom,

 We'll show you ours if you show us yours :)


If I could easily rank them myself, then why would I care what anyone else thought?


I say with no guile or intended malice: it is heartening to see that one of the world's leading architecture experts, furthermore the person who understands the courses being ranked in this exercise better than anyone else, cannot readily distinguish their respective qualities.

EDIT: my point is the essential futility if not intellectual dishonesty of rankings.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2013, 09:49:46 AM by Mark Bourgeois »
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Charlotte. Daniel. Olivia. Josephine. Ana. Dylan. Madeleine. Catherine. Chase. Jesse. James. Grace. Emilie. Jack. Noah. Caroline. Jessica. Benjamin. Avielle. Allison.

Jud_T

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2013, 09:46:21 AM »
Greg,

Forgetting Bay of Dreams already?  Damn, you're getting old ;)
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Bill Seitz

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2013, 09:46:58 AM »
I'm only at three, but of those three, I'd go Ballyneal, Streamsong, Lost Dunes.  Those last two are pretty tight, but Ballyneal was the clear #1.
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BHoover

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2013, 09:52:29 AM »
I haven't yet had a chance to play any of your courses (I know, that's heresy on GCA, but what can I say).

When are you going to come down to the Buckeye State and build us a course?
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Bart Bradley

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2013, 09:54:47 AM »
Ballyneal
Barnbougle
Pac Dunes
Old Macdonald
St. Andrews Beach
Streamsong Blue
Rawls Course at Texas Tech
Lost Dunes
Heathland
Quail Crossing

Best,

Bart
« Last Edit: September 24, 2013, 11:10:33 AM by Bart Bradley »
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2013, 09:55:22 AM »
Quote from: Mark Bourgeois on September 24, 2013, 09:44:54 AM
Quote from: Tom_Doak on September 24, 2013, 09:00:17 AM
Quote from: Jim Colton on September 24, 2013, 08:49:22 AM
Tom,

 We'll show you ours if you show us yours :)


If I could easily rank them myself, then why would I care what anyone else thought?


I say with no guile or intended malice: it is heartening to see that one of the world's leading architecture experts, furthermore the person who understands the courses being ranked in this exercise better than anyone else, cannot readily distinguish their respective qualities.

EDIT: my point is the essential futility if not intellectual dishonesty of rankings.


Here is a quote from Tom Doak dated 2002.  He saw this coming but thought he was immune.


"Jonathan, it may be true today that many panelists pooh-pooh another Rees Jones or Tom Fazio design, but that's only because raters of years past made them famous and got them all that work.  The same may hold true in another ten years for Tom Doak and Bill Coore golf courses.  (But don't bet against us.)"
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David Royer

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2013, 09:55:46 AM »
Pac Dunes
Ballyneal
Streamsong
Dismal River
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Michael Whitaker

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2013, 09:58:45 AM »
Barnbougle Dunes
Old MacDonald
Ballyneal
Pacific Dunes
Sebonack
St Andrews Beach
Cape Kidnappers
Streamsong Blue
Renaissance Club (Original)
Lost Dunes
Heathland at Legends Resort
Black Forest
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"Solving the paradox of proportionality is the heart of golf architecture."  - Tom Doak (11/20/05)

K. Krahenbuhl

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2013, 10:00:54 AM »
Sebonack
Streamsong
Ballyneal
High Pointe
Rawls Course
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Jud_T

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2013, 10:00:54 AM »
Problem is, while it's a fun exercise and it's interesting to see and discuss the individual rankings, my guess is the consensus will come out very similar to where the rags have 'em.
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Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Andrew Lewis

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2013, 10:02:30 AM »
Pacific Dunes
Old Mac
High Pointe
Ballyneal
Beechtree
Lost Dunes
Legends Heathland
Quail Crossing
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PThomas

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2013, 10:05:19 AM »
P Dunes
Sebonack
Ballyneal
Rock Creek
Old Mac
Sheep Ranch
Stone Eagle
Stonewall Old
Atlantic City- played in bad rain/want to play again
Streamsong
High pointe
Lost Dunes
Stonewall North
Black Forest
APache  - was in TERRIBLE condition when I played it
Legends
Beachtree
Riverfront
Quail Crossing
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199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Jud_T

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2013, 10:08:22 AM »
Quote from: Brian_S on September 24, 2013, 10:05:14 AM
Quote from: Jud T on September 24, 2013, 10:00:54 AM
Problem is, while it's a fun exercise and it's interesting to see and discuss the individual rankings, my guess is the consensus will come out very similar to where the rags have 'em.

It's a problem as it will throw up nothing new? Or a problem because we are all brainwashed?

both.  bit of a chicken and egg thing...
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Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

astavrides

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2013, 10:12:18 AM »
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« Last Edit: October 11, 2013, 12:48:17 PM by astavrides »
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Steve Kline

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2013, 10:17:56 AM »
Ballyneal - my clear #1 and perhaps my favorite guess ever


Pacific Dunes - these two are almost interchangeable; need more plays to determine order
Old Mac


Sheep Ranch - while a ton of fun the lost balls in the incredibly thick hay got old
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Jason Tetterton

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2013, 10:18:35 AM »
Ballyneal
Dismal River
Pacific Dunes
Old Mac
Charlotte GL
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Anthony Fowler

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2013, 10:23:18 AM »
Pacific Dunes
Barnbougle Dunes
Ballyneal
Stone Eagle
Streamsong Blue
Old Macdonald
Black Forest
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Sean Leary

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2013, 10:23:42 AM »
Pacific Dunes
Ballyneal
Rock Creek
Stonewall Old
Stone Eagle
Stonewall New
Tumble Creek
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Garland Bayley

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2013, 10:31:21 AM »
Sean,

You haven't played Old MacDonald? Your assignment is to drive down there this weekend and play it.
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"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Eric_Terhorst

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Re: Rank My Courses
« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2013, 10:36:14 AM »
Pacific Dunes
Ballyneal
Stone Eagle
Lost Dunes
Quail Crossing
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