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Mark Saltzman

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Any thoughts based on these few pictures?













« Last Edit: September 10, 2013, 11:08:53 PM by Mark Saltzman »

David Harshbarger

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2013, 08:36:17 PM »
Sure, though I'd lose a box in that gunch.  :)
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Matt Glore

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2013, 08:45:22 PM »
Sure, it looks great.  Now where is it?

Chris Mavros

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2013, 08:49:03 PM »
Yes, it looks good.  Nice and big greens but the fairways looks a little restrictive, probably emphasizing a precise tee game while alowing a lot more freedom with the approach shots.  The par 3 of the second photo looks fun; with that right side to use as a bank to bouce and roll towards the pin.  The Cape-style hole in the first photo looks tempting, but I'd probably stay right of the pin anyways.  

Where is this?

Patrick_Mucci

Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2013, 08:23:43 AM »
Why not ?

Ian Andrew

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2013, 08:44:26 AM »
Mark,

When you come to explain the project, please let people know that Cam Tyers did the all the design and construction work.
The Biarritz green is great variation on the idea.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2013, 09:03:31 AM by Ian Andrew »
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2013, 10:03:46 AM »
Tom Watson would feel at home here. I'd play. For the next cople of hours I'm in country.

Paul Jones

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2013, 10:47:00 AM »
I am assuming this is someplace in Canada?  Pictures look great.
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2013, 11:08:14 AM »
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Paul Jones

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2013, 11:51:13 AM »
Great find Steve.  The website says "Project Type: 18 Hole Short Course".  How long (or short) is the course?
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Lou_Duran

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2013, 12:58:08 PM »
Very strange configuration- 16 mostly shortish par 3s sandwiched by two par 4s, the first one 440 yards.  I do like the concept in general, though perhaps not for 18 holes.  A past friend developed a 9-hole course in the Muskoka Lakes region- The Diamond In The Ruff- which played to a par 34 at around 2800 yards.  It had the features and maintenance of the better full-sized courses in Ontario, with par 4s in the 300-375 range, short to middle-long 3s, and one 510 yard 5.  The idea was for vacationers of all types to enjoy nine holes and a fine meal in for around $50 in less than three hours.  Last I heard the place was still going strong.  We looked at a couple sites here in Texas to do the same thing, but the market didn't seem to be there.

Rees Milikin

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2013, 01:00:11 PM »
Yeah, looks enjoyable

RJ_Daley

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2013, 01:20:59 PM »
As something of a tribute courses, with a par 3 - executive course spin, it looks like fun.  A wonderful idea for reclaimed waste land from a previous quarry or sand mine.  Is it so severe in elevation changes green to tees and walk outs through grunge that a fleet of carts is needed? How long has it been in operation and do they appear to be making a profit?  Is it as much about the social club, dinner club experience in winter? 

I don't think the rates on their website seem attractive.   That much for a par 3 course, despite it may have interesting design, seems excessive to me.  But, I have no idea what going rates for golf are in CA.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2013, 01:24:45 PM by RJ_Daley »
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Lyne Morrison

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2013, 07:50:30 AM »
Yes. This is a good model for our times for a range of reasons including the option of a quick hit for all on what looks to be a fun layout and providing manageable and engaging golf for newcomers to the game.

Looks like a good range of yardages for all - including women :)

Black: 3408y  from 443 to 102
White: 3033y  from 414 - 86
Yellow: 2363y  from 325 - 65

Canadians measure in yards? I thought they were metric?

Lyne

Bill_McBride

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2013, 12:32:50 PM »

Canadians measure in yards? I thought they were metric?

Lyne

Not on golf courses.  Cabot Links, Sagebrush, other BC courses, all yards. 

Mark McKeever

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2013, 01:08:23 PM »
Looks like some fun greens....so yep, I'd give it a run!

MM
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Mark Saltzman

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2013, 01:40:59 PM »
Mark, are you intending to chime back in and explain why you asked the question? :)

Yep, tonight! Sorry for the delay.

Pete_Pittock

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2013, 03:18:35 PM »
Why not, with just a few reservations.  I think this group would be rushing to the first tee if this was a full length course, but the reservations may begin with the executive or short course not being a worthy destination. Time wise it may be an excellent choice given, all the time spent problems on a regulation course.   2 1/2 hours?  

Garland Bayley

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2013, 04:57:33 PM »
Harry Colt wrote, "A hayfield and golf never seem to me to go well together."

Why would the directionally challenged want to play there when there are so many other more suitable places for them to play?
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2013, 05:35:12 PM »
If this course had 4-6 more par4s it would be ideal for an "active adult community." I have not seen the short courses in The Villages but here in AZ I've played and liked(scored a 69!) Hale Irwin's Lakes Course at Palm Valley:

From www.palmvalleygolf.com


"The Hale Irwin-designed Lakes Course was created to provide players with a high-quality alternative to the Palms Course. With a par of 62, players will enjoy a fun and challenging round of golf in a considerably less amount of time. Combined with Palm Valley's expansive practice facility, Palm Valley Golf Club offers one of the Southwest's most complete golf experiences and sets itself apart from other Phoenix Arizona golf courses."


The Lakes Course
Par 62, Designed by the legendary Hale Irwin
Gold Tees: Yardage - 4745  Slope - 103  Rating - 66.0
Blue Tees:  Yardage - 4346 Slope - 98  Rating - 63.8
White Tees: Yardage - 3747  Slope - 91  Rating - 60.1

Sun City West here has 3 "Executive" courses. I haven't played any of them.
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Mark Saltzman

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Re: Would you want to play here?
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2013, 11:08:00 PM »
So, post a few pictures of an unknown golf course and GCAers will have no problem identifying the golf course.  As previously mentioned, the pictures are of Turnberry Golf Club, a par-56 golf course measuring some 3,400 yards from the back tees (which, interestingly, are rarely played!).  The course is a twist on the 'executive course' concept as it offers a golf course with far better shaping, more interesting greens and surrounds, and better conditioning than most any other short course I have seen (private courses excepted).

The variety is exceptional.  Though it is impossible to forget that you are playing 16 straight par-3s, the varying shot demands will keep you constantly engaged.

“I think it is important, even with the beginning golfer, that we are not insulting them by giving them a mundane experience that they won’t remember,” says Cam Tyers, an associate golf designer at the firm of Carrick Design who created Turnberry with Doug Carrick. “We want the beginning golfer to be exciting and amazed. And we know the course will challenge better players as well.”
 
http://www.turnberrygolf.ca/course.htm







The second hole offers a fascinating double green with pins that range from nearly impossible (as pictured!) to hole-in-one-able as the centre of the green has a bowl reminiscent of the one found at NGLA's Short:




How often do you find a 102 yard that is truly interesting?  The 7th at Turnberry not only intimidates with this very deep bunker to its right, but a green that falls away past its mid-point make depth perception and yardage control a difficulty:




Some holes, like the 8th, provide the opportunity to play a running shot off a kicker:




While holes like the 10th have slopes around the green that will repel shots that barely miss the green:




And the Biarritz green (previously pictured) is difficult to putt if you find the green, and an impossible recovery if you miss the green!