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Patrick_Mucci

Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #125 on: October 25, 2013, 11:12:56 PM »


What kind of swap?

Clubs/courses

Preakness Hills for The Knoll


J.D. Griffith

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #126 on: October 26, 2013, 12:41:48 AM »
This thread makes me want to make the trek to New Haven, CT.  What a great thread, and a great course as well.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #127 on: October 26, 2013, 12:55:43 AM »
JD,

The course is stunning in scale and in the quality of the architecture.

If you venture to New Haven, other than with the weather, you won't be disappointed.

It's a golfer's treat.

Bill Crane

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #128 on: October 27, 2013, 10:28:29 PM »
Excellent Thurs and Friday at Yale.

Thursday greens were fastest I have experienced there, could be close to 11.  CONTINUE and loads of break.  Saw a good young golfer in front of us putt off the 7th green and down the hill. LOVE the 8th, one of the best holes in the world (I M H O)

27 holes of alternate shot at O C "Punch Bowl" event on Friday with greens slower, perhaps nearer to 10.  Awesome (!!) 27th hole with all 50 plus members taking a shot to the back pin on upper plateau of the #9 Biarritz green - about 230 yards !!

Best conditions I have experienced at Yale, fairly firm and fast.  Even the leaves weren't too bad.


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Mark McKeever

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #129 on: October 28, 2013, 09:12:59 AM »
I think 8 is one of the most under rated when people talk about Yale.  Maybe because it sits right in line with 9 and 10 which tend to dominate conversation.  8 is ceratainly one of the best on the course.

Mark
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Phil Lipper

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #130 on: October 30, 2013, 08:03:39 AM »
I think Bill's praises of number 8 are well deserved its a great hole and certainly overlooked. I played there yesterday as well as last Friday, playing 2 rounds over a few days really helps open the eyes and see even more great things about this gem. Yale is one of the few golf courses that you play 18 holes that all feel very unique and different.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #131 on: October 30, 2013, 12:05:09 PM »
Mark,

One of the reasons I think # 8 is perceived as great by many people is that it doesn't overwhelm the golfer in terms of demands on distance.

It's the uniqueness of the features that golfers tend to fall in love with.

Probably a great example of how a hole can be great without excessive difficulty.

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #132 on: October 30, 2013, 04:21:33 PM »
Is 8 really overlooked?

It was my immediate favourite on first play... It's got the best ground movement through the green, the best green and the boldest bunkering... (all arguably, of course)

Joe Bausch

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #133 on: October 27, 2014, 07:38:27 AM »
A recent revisit of Yale was with fall colors farther along than any of my previous times.  My latest updated photo album is well worth the visit, IMHO, and now includes hole diagrams too:

http://xchem.villanova.edu/~bausch/images/albums/Yale/

Please, enjoy!
@jwbausch (for new photo albums)
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Nearly all Delaware Valley golf courses in photo albums: Bausch Collection

Chris DeToro

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #134 on: October 27, 2014, 07:45:45 AM »
Great pictures and almost a year to the date since the last post on this thread.

Reading back, I agree with everything said about Yale.  I visited this past summer with few expectations and was blown away by the topography and the bold features of many of the holes.  I was disappointed by the conditions of the course, however, and hope they continue to work on this. 

The best part of the day though was seeing the number of beginners getting to experience a course like Yale as their "home" course 

JBovay

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #135 on: November 22, 2014, 08:04:31 AM »
Last week, I played Yale for the first time in 12 years. I plan to become a semi-regular there, so I'll have many more thoughts and photos to share at some point, but here are a few "third impressions":

Of course, my memory of how the course looked in 2002 is foggy, but I think that the tree removal project has greatly improved the intimate feeling of this big golf course. This view of the eighth green shows how clearly you can see the second hole:



I don't remember that I realized the fifth and 15th greens were so close together, as another example. The project is ongoing: a number of trees have been felled and are awaiting cleanup between the 12th and 17th fairways. In addition, the tree removal also adds width and playability. On such a demanding golf course, the width is very helpful.

I thought the course was in excellent condition. They were in the middle of what seemed to be a staged aerification project, so I can't comment on the greens in particular except to say I thought they were in very good shape for punched greens.

It was one of the most walkable courses I've played in recent memory. Green-to-tee walks are nonexistent, except for between nine and ten, if you are playing the right tees.

A few thoughts on specific holes and shots:

The eighth tee shot reminded me of the 16th at Pasatiempo. Surely it wasn't a template hole for MacKenzie, but it's an interesting coincidence, given that they were built within a few years of each other.

The approach to the tenth is just astonishing, given the technology of that era. The seventh and 12th are similar, but somehow not quite as extreme to me.

The 13th, a downhill Redan, was interesting to me because you can see the entire green from the tee despite the green sloping away.

Has anyone ever played #17 from the fringe behind the 16th green? Looks like a fun but scary tee shot, over the pond and ridge, between or over the trees, and turns the hole into a 470-yard par 4.

From the championship tees, 18 might be the first par 5.5 I've ever played. Unless you're long enough to carry the first mountain, the fairway seems too narrow for a driver. Maybe I'll change my mind about this over the years. Maybe it's not that long, and I wasn't able to carry it because of the wind?





Two more notes: They're constructing a new driving range across the street from the current one, and turning the existing one into a three-hole par-3 course. Does anyone know who's doing the work?

On a warmish Friday at noon, my playing partner and I had the place to ourselves. One foursome teed off behind us, and we encountered two random singles who seemed to be practicing or skipping around. I can't believe a gem like this isn't packed every single day, regardless of the season.

JB

Chris DeToro

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #136 on: November 22, 2014, 01:45:59 PM »
I found 18 to be pretty long and I'm a decent length hitter and I played it on a relatively calm day.  I think the play is to lay up short of the hill--the hole sort of forces one to do that and I really don't have a problem with that

Bret Lawrence

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #137 on: November 22, 2014, 04:18:29 PM »

Two more notes: They're constructing a new driving range across the street from the current one, and turning the existing one into a three-hole par-3 course. Does anyone know who's doing the work?

On a warmish Friday at noon, my playing partner and I had the place to ourselves. One foursome teed off behind us, and we encountered two random singles who seemed to be practicing or skipping around. I can't believe a gem like this isn't packed every single day, regardless of the season.

JB

I played Yale in September and also noticed the plans for the new practice area.  I asked Peter Pulaski about it and he said it was still out to bid. (As of September 4th)

I have been fortunate to play Yale at least once a year for the last 10 years.  Yale annually hosts the CSGA State Four-Ball Championship.  I am amazed every year I go back at how much work has been done from the prior year.  The course has really come alive in the 10 years that I've played it.  Two years ago as we approached the fifth hole, Scott was out on the green laying down sod to recapture some of the old pin locations. 

In the last two years they have added new tee boxes on 3 of the Par. 3's. The 5th, 13th and 15th.  The new 5th tee is only a few steps off of the fourth green. 13 is on top of the hill near the directional flag for the 12th hole, making this hole well over 220 yards.  This year I noticed a lot of trees recently cleared  on 14 into 15, which opened up a new tee box for 15.  Yale is hosting the NCAA Eastern Regional Championships May 14-16, 2015

Ronald Montesano

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #138 on: November 22, 2014, 04:40:57 PM »
A recent revisit of Yale was with fall colors farther along than any of my previous times.  My latest updated photo album is well worth the visit, IMHO, and now includes hole diagrams too:

http://xchem.villanova.edu/~bausch/images/albums/Yale/

Please, enjoy!

The autumn roll of the dice-colors or clear sky or both?
Coming in 2025
~Robert Moses Pitch 'n Putt
~~Sag Harbor
~~~Chenango Valley
~~~~Sleepy Hollow
~~~~~Montauk Downs
~~~~~~Sunken Meadow
~~~~~~~Some other, posh joints ;)

Tim_Weiman

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #139 on: November 23, 2014, 04:17:51 PM »
Guys:

As great as Yale, no discussion of the course would be complete without mentioning it as the venue for one of the great moments in GolfCubAtlas.com history: the famous "tough love" talk by Tommy Naccarato that left the Yale brass speechless.

It was a classic every bit as much as the course is a classic.
Tim Weiman

Ronald Montesano

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #140 on: November 23, 2014, 04:22:56 PM »
Transcript, please.
Coming in 2025
~Robert Moses Pitch 'n Putt
~~Sag Harbor
~~~Chenango Valley
~~~~Sleepy Hollow
~~~~~Montauk Downs
~~~~~~Sunken Meadow
~~~~~~~Some other, posh joints ;)

Tim_Weiman

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #141 on: November 23, 2014, 10:22:35 PM »
Transcript, please.

Ronald,

Perhaps that should be left to our host Geoffrey Childs.
Tim Weiman

Patrick_Mucci

Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #142 on: November 23, 2014, 11:41:12 PM »
Is 8 really overlooked?

It was my immediate favourite on first play... It's got the best ground movement through the green, the best green and the boldest bunkering... (all arguably, of course)

Ally,

It's one of my favorites as well.

For some reason it seems to be placed lower on the totem pole by many.

I think it's spectacular, from tee to green and then, on the green.

Perhaps some forget it's appeal and value because they're dazzled by the next hole !


Chris DeToro

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #143 on: November 24, 2014, 09:09:45 PM »
Even a few months removed from my first and only trip to Yale thus far, so many of the holes stand out to me.  Truly amazing place.  Number 2 stands out to me as an underrated hole.  8, 9, and 10 is about as varied and dramatic a three hole stretch as I've seen as well

Colin Sheehan

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #144 on: December 12, 2017, 01:37:10 PM »
https://photos.app.goo.gl/toDeThf1LGxcMjfn1

Here's a link to some still images of Yale's greens (holes 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, & 9) from this past October. And each has been quickly photo shopped based on the 1934 aerial images. A few of those original bunkers were among the largest from that era. While we took care to be as precise as possible, it was done quickly and isn't meant to be the final word on the actual dimensions. 

Ira Fishman

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #145 on: December 12, 2017, 05:27:57 PM »
Among the many dumb decisions I made when I was young, near (or at) the top of the list is being too busy hanging out and/or too lazy to play there more than a few times when I was a student some 40 years ago.  Even through the fog of time, the course remains a memory of brilliance in variety, scale, and audacity (and difficulty). 


Ira

Joel_Stewart

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #146 on: December 12, 2017, 05:37:59 PM »
I have 3 questions.


Has any restoration work been done on Yale in the last few years?


Is Scott still the superintendent?


What happened to the Gil Hanse restoration project and building a 2nd course?

Mike Sweeney

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #147 on: December 12, 2017, 06:14:35 PM »
"The biggest changes over the last few years have been the continued green expansions, and removal of trees. Colin is showing us some future possibilities for additional green expansions."

From June 2019 visit:


And the process continues at Yale with the removal of trees at the 6th hole dogleg:



Trees gone around 6th Green:



Not sure if the 8th Green is larger, but it is not getting any smaller:

« Last Edit: June 19, 2019, 04:42:50 AM by Mike Sweeney »
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Mike Sweeney

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #148 on: June 19, 2019, 04:39:18 AM »
I edited my old post above by accident but added the new pictures from last week of the tree removal on #6. Colin, Scott, and Peter make the place better and better every day. Here is Colin's old green sketches:


https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipO2WGAbLvLj9aHI3-yXq2Vm14Vl_8q9azV2KH9qn9jMD1g8_KdMFMGnBnz4tQBrOg?key=cVpmNUhSM0k1NU9CZmNKZzBqYkJiZ2tueE43MmFR


They are also starting to cut down the rough on some of the fairway mound landing areas on #18. I forgot to take a picture of that, but you can see the deep hay is cut on the front and bailout/blocked right side mounds of #13:


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Colin Sheehan

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Re: OMG Yale
« Reply #149 on: June 19, 2019, 08:37:32 AM »
Mike,
I'm glad you got such a gorgeous day on Friday.


There remains only three trees left which would improve the architecture upon their removal: the two behind the second green and the one left of eight. Everything after that would be for corridor width, airflow and circulation.


Last year's drainage work on 7, 8, 10, 14, 16, 17 and 18 has been miraculous. There's about (or even less than) $100K in remaining drainage work: parts of the 18th fairway near the green, some bits to the right of the 16th fairway, some slit drainage on 6.


Fairway expansion on the right of 16 on the high mound has been fantastic. So is the fairway width on 10.


Incremental green & tight mow expansion from last year has come in really well. Other than restoring the double punchbowl third green, the only major green expansion that remains is on hole 6. Everywhere else it's just an extra pass or two of the triplex: front right and back rim of 1, front right of 2, front left of 4, back right of 7, front left of 8 and its back rim, the back rim of 9, right side of 12, and front right protruding elbow of 18.


 
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