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Dan_Callahan

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Day 1 of the US Am at The Country Club
« on: August 12, 2013, 04:41:55 PM »
Watched a kid I coach play today at the Am. I'm now convinced that you can't make a course too long for these players. The Country Club is set up at 7,300 yards and par 70, with tiny tilted greens. The only par 5 on the course is 625 yards. Uphill. There are 5 par 4s that are right around 500 yards. They pushed the tee on 15 way, way, way back to stretch the hole to 491. And an Australian kid in the group bombed it 350 to have a wedge into the green. His drive was only a few yards back from the entrance road.

There is a 700 yard difference between TCC and the second course being used, Charles River. Has there been a bigger length discrepancy between courses in an Am? I wouldn't be surprised if there was a 4-5 shot difference between courses.

Anyway, TCC looks amazing as always. Greens are lightning quick and unbelievably small. Some of the shots these guys hit defy comprehension. Low score of the morning at TCC was a 67. The Australian kid I watched was 2 under on the front but finished at 70 after a few bad putts coming in. At Charles River this morning, the low round was a 65. Posted by a 17 year old. Incredible.

Howard Riefs

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Re: Day 1 of the US Am at The Country Club
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2013, 05:24:08 PM »
Thanks for the great recap.

There is a 700 yard difference between TCC and the second course being used, Charles River. Has there been a bigger length discrepancy between courses in an Am? I wouldn't be surprised if there was a 4-5 shot difference between courses.

In 2011, there was a ridiculous 1,100+ yard difference between Erin Hills (7,760 yards) and Blue Mound (6,622).  
 
http://www.2011usamateur.com/2011_U.S._Amateur_Fact_Sheet.pdf


Scoring averages were 75.106 at Erin Hills (par 72) and 71.647 at Blue Mound (par 70)

http://www.usga.org/ChampEventScore.aspx?id=17179869326&year=2011&type=coursestats






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Joe Hancock

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Re: Day 1 of the US Am at The Country Club
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2013, 05:31:54 PM »


In 2011, there was a ridiculous 1,100+ yard difference between Erin Hills (7,760 yards) and Blue Mound (6,622).  

Scoring averages were 75.106 at Erin Hills (par 72) and 71.647 at Blue Mound (par 70)


I kind of like that idea, especially for the younger tournament players. The longer course will obviously test their physical abilities more, but the shorter course can test their mental abilities, i.e. when to throttle back, how to control their temper when they mess up a short hole, etc. It should produce the most rounded champion, I would think.

Joe
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Mark Chaplin

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Re: Day 1 of the US Am at The Country Club
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2013, 05:41:25 PM »
During the British Amateur qualifying at Princes we had a 575yd par 5 with a centre line bunker at 330yds, the immensely likeable Hunter Kraus hit 3 iron to be sure of avoiding the bunker and a 5 wood pin high. Different world.
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Dan_Callahan

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Re: Day 1 of the US Am at The Country Club
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2013, 09:59:41 AM »
The only problem with huge discrepancies in course length that I can see is if the weather conditions change from one day to the next. But I guess that's just the luck of the draw. If it rains today as predicted, TCC will be significantly easier, I think. Those tiny greens were fast yesterday, and lots of shots released and rolled through. A little bit softer and you've got a better chance of holding when you're coming in from 200+ yards. The fact that someone posted a 67 yesterday on that course is pretty amazing.

I did a quick Google search, and the Australian kid I was watching is Oliver Goss, a sophomore at U Texas. He had one of the best recoveries I've ever seen. On the 3rd hole, which is an impossible 450 yard par 4, he hit iron(!) off the tee into the left rough. Anything off the fairways there is a crapshoot, and more often than not you're lucky to advance it 100 yards. He had 200 yards to the green, and flew it long. We figured it went in the water behind the green, but apparently it stayed up. He tried to hit a huge full-swing flop shot for his 3rd and instead hit an epic shank. His ball was heading for the 4th fairway when it hit a tree and came back toward 3. It came to rest on the cart path, so he got relief from that. So he was hitting his 4th from about 10 yards off the green in heavy rough over a bunker to a green that slopes away from him and water to worry about if it came out left. And his last shot was a shank. He tried the super nuclear flop again, hit it perfectly, nailed the flagstick dead on, and had a one-inch putt for bogey. He could easily have had an 8 or worse.