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Greg Tallman

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Bunker Style Change - Smart, stupid, depends?
« on: August 07, 2013, 12:04:23 PM »
Is it feasible to completely change the bunker style on an existing course? Say you have a course with "80s style bunkering" and were due for a bunker renovation and were thinking of introducing a new style.

Thoughts?

Brent Hutto

Re: Bunker Style Change - Smart, stupid, depends?
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2013, 12:05:56 PM »
I think build 'em in whatever style suits your fancy. Personally, I don't get real excited by what style of bunker there is on a course unless it sticks out like a sore thumb as totally out of place.

Ken Fry

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Re: Bunker Style Change - Smart, stupid, depends?
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2013, 12:31:13 PM »
Would it be fair to say Pinehurst #2 has changed their bunker style many times through the current renovation?

Sometimes not always for the better:

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Augusta National?

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Tom_Doak

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Re: Bunker Style Change - Smart, stupid, depends?
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2013, 12:41:21 PM »
Sure it's feasible.  Camargo Club changed all its bunkers from Seth Raynor style to Bob von Hagge style in the 1960's, and we changed them back in the 1990's.  It can be really costly but it is being done all the time.

PCCraig

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Re: Bunker Style Change - Smart, stupid, depends?
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2013, 01:32:13 PM »
Is it feasible to completely change the bunker style on an existing course? Say you have a course with "80s style bunkering" and were due for a bunker renovation and were thinking of introducing a new style.

Thoughts?


Sure it's feasible. My 125 year old home course is rebuilding its "80's style bunkering" into something that's intended to be more classical-looking. You can see a fair amount of before/after and construction photos are the golf course superintendent's twitter page @tcturf

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corey miller

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Re: Bunker Style Change - Smart, stupid, depends?
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2013, 01:37:35 PM »

It must be feasible as we had a noted (at that time, at least in the NYC area) restoration architect tell our committee that he would build any style we wanted on our Macdonald/Raynor course. ???

PCCraig

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Re: Bunker Style Change - Smart, stupid, depends?
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2013, 01:40:40 PM »

It must be feasible as we had a noted (at that time, at least in the NYC area) restoration architect tell our committee that he would build any style we wanted on our Macdonald/Raynor course. ???

Ah, a Green Committee's dream architect...the one that will do whatever they want.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2013, 01:48:42 PM by PCraig »
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Greg Tallman

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Re: Bunker Style Change - Smart, stupid, depends?
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2013, 05:24:55 PM »
What are some of the best examples of a drastic change?

Howard Riefs

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Sean_A

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Re: Bunker Style Change - Smart, stupid, depends?
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2013, 06:27:47 PM »
What are some of the best examples of a drastic change?

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Greg Tallman

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Phil McDade

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Re: Bunker Style Change - Smart, stupid, depends?
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2013, 01:19:40 PM »
What are some of the best examples of a drastic change?

I'd give a look at both Flossmoor (Ray Hearn) and LACC, North (Hanse/Shackelford). Following are a few resources:

Flossmoor CC
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/feature-interview/flossmoor-november-2012/
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/in-my-opinion/flossmoor-country-club/
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,41166.msg871828/topicseen.html#msg871828



Greg:

Here's a thread specifically on the Flossmoor bunker project, with comments from Hearn  and some pics of bunker styles old and new cribbed from various GCA threads and sources: http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,41574.0.html

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Bunker Style Change - Smart, stupid, depends?
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2013, 01:25:34 PM »
I prefer when bunker changes fit their environment and maintenance practices.
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Greg Tallman

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Re: Bunker Style Change - Smart, stupid, depends?
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2013, 01:48:52 PM »
I prefer when bunker changes fit their environment and maintenance practices.


LOL - maintenance practices are largely what is necessitating that something be done in the first place but agreed not any style would fit.

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