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mike_beene

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Re: What is the Future of American Private Club Golf?
« Reply #200 on: March 03, 2019, 12:40:23 AM »
Another problem is a club gets a 10 year waiting list, loses current prospects and then what if the economy turns. Could a stock crash dissolve a list, even if it costs to be on the list? Not sure what else to do?


Lou_Duran

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Re: What is the Future of American Private Club Golf?
« Reply #201 on: March 03, 2019, 01:07:13 PM »
Mike- short of evolving to a Venezuela-like government, I doubt that the legacy clubs will have a problem.


One of your peers has an interesting program for folks who possess the necessities to become members- a social membership level with a much shorter line which allows play on the course three days during the week while waiting for full status.  They used to have a fast-track program at 2+x the normal initiation fee, but I heard that too many prospective members took advantage to jump ahead of the line (don't know for sure if the program NLE).


Remember, golf is a big world.  In a big, healthy market like D/FW, there are all sorts of options, including some that are very attractive.




mike_beene

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Re: What is the Future of American Private Club Golf?
« Reply #202 on: March 03, 2019, 11:53:39 PM »
If it is where I think, it still existed a few months ago. We apparently have the same model to some extent.I just heard a place that had been private Thorntree? Is now daily fee. I assume the number of options makes a membership less appealing to a lot of people. I get concerned that my club will miss a generation of golfers because we have no openings. I can't get my own nephews any thing better than 5 to 10 years. Then they join somewhere else where there are openings. Just seems like a future problem. I guess the same thing happens to neighborhoods.

Lou_Duran

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Re: What is the Future of American Private Club Golf?
« Reply #203 on: March 04, 2019, 10:49:57 AM »
Mike- I think you have identified a shortcoming.  You may recall that when my son moved to Dallas, the first place I took him to look was your club.  At that time, there were openings in the junior category and, with my urging, he would have applied but for the year-long renovation that was to commence shortly.  He got in at one of your other peers and has settled in nicely.  Perhaps a solution to the problem you describe is to expand a legacy category, perhaps with more playing privileges during non-peak times.  Of course, much of this could become moot in the next 20 years as Boomers die off and are not back-filled by the Millies.  And yes, hot retirement communities might face the same issues at the end of the Boomer cycle.


Re: Thorntree, that's a difficult market down there for golf.  The old Oak Cliff CC nearby was renamed and went semi-private, then mostly public.  Last I heard, a sale for residential redevelopment was considered, but ran into opposition.  Los Rios CC in Plano went public and is now closed and slated to become open space.  Oakridge CC in Garland closed, and later re-opened as a public (Duck Creek?).  Lots of changes at this level of golf which will likely continue.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: What is the Future of American Private Club Golf?
« Reply #204 on: March 04, 2019, 12:00:00 PM »
Golf is approaching an impasse where it will have to choose to be 100% private or 100% public. If we truly want the game to survive the choice is obvious.

Lou_Duran

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Re: What is the Future of American Private Club Golf?
« Reply #205 on: March 04, 2019, 12:27:55 PM »
Nonsense, though I think that an opening to more outside play is likely, at least to the point that clubs don't bump into the tax laws.  Some might very well go public when they reach that threshold and still can't make payroll.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: What is the Future of American Private Club Golf?
« Reply #206 on: March 04, 2019, 12:36:55 PM »
The only option for survival is 100% private. It will be the last model standing.

Mark Pritchett

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Re: What is the Future of American Private Club Golf?
« Reply #207 on: March 04, 2019, 12:40:35 PM »
The future of golf (private and public) will vary greatly from market to market. 

John Kavanaugh

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Re: What is the Future of American Private Club Golf?
« Reply #208 on: March 04, 2019, 12:48:09 PM »
80% of courses selling times on Golfnow will be out of business in 20 years. When did golfers decide that giving their money to everyone except where they play is a good deal? Each and everyone of them deserves to be stuck at home watching Westerns. A perfectly nice way to wait to die, but I'd rather be golfing.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: What is the Future of American Private Club Golf?
« Reply #209 on: March 04, 2019, 12:54:15 PM »
People running scams or always looking for a deal have a future too. It's called...Mondays.

Philip Hensley

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Re: What is the Future of American Private Club Golf?
« Reply #210 on: March 07, 2019, 06:12:37 PM »
Private golf membership is being turned into part of the sharing economy.