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John_Conley

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Re: Public Perception of Brown
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2013, 12:47:35 PM »
Great point, Josh.

RJ_Daley

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Re: Public Perception of Brown
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2013, 03:27:24 PM »
I think Josh is right about how many courses are designed with the overall bias towards how average golfers play strictly and aerial game and the design intent matches a maintenance meld intent to present a relatively soft and lush green environment.  Thus, when weather and climate deal harshly, and water resources can't keep up with an already weak pampered turf sward, the resulting firm conditions aren't on a sward that can withstand it, it turns hard baked and dead, and that is what the average golfer understands firm, fast and yellow-brown patina to be. 

So, we generally understand the difference around these cyber circles, but the average golfer doesn't seem to get it.  This fellow commenting from KC media obviously doesn't know diddly, but he has a microphone.  It is all about education going forward to impart proper appreciation of what is dead and gone, to what is a seasonal patina to be embraced and enjoyed.  That responsibility lies mostly with the professional broadcast team. 

I didn't see but a few minutes of the OCC broadcast, so I don't know if a proper turf conditions description by the broadcasters, or comments by the players was made.  I hope so... for guys like this cat in KC's sake.  ::) ;)
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Don_Mahaffey

Re: Public Perception of Brown
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2013, 07:50:49 PM »
To me, OCC looked like a course that is normally kept green, but dried out for a tournament. Thus instead of a more even coloring, you have the uneven appearance of green and brown that occurs when you dry a normally green course out.
Contrast that look with what we will see in the UK this week. Completely different look, and much more appealing to me, and less "ugly" to the outside world because the hues look so much better.
I don't hear many complaints about a course that is always maintained on the dry side. But take a normally green course and decide to just dry it down, hold on to your hat if you are the super. 

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Public Perception of Brown
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2013, 07:59:32 PM »
Every town has a beautiful brown course yet I only see profiles on this site of the green ones.

Phil McDade

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Re: Public Perception of Brown
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2013, 08:37:06 PM »

Mike Sweeney

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Brandon Urban

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Re: Public Perception of Brown
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2013, 08:58:59 PM »

Every town has a beautiful brown course yet I only see profiles on this site of the green ones.

John,

I agree that there is a lot of greenery on this site, but there are also some good reviews that feature brown. The link below is one of my course profiles... I would love to see more of these about small town courses.
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,53371.0.html
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Public Perception of Brown
« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2013, 04:06:13 AM »
There is also a kinda photogenic effect to consider. Unfortunately for fans of firm and fast, green contrasted with white or off-white bunker sand is perhaps more appealing to the eyes of some than shades of brown/beige, and a green coloured course contrasted with white bunkers plus blue water looks even more appealing..

Another factor, as far as GCA photo tours are considered, is the location where the guy behind the lens normally resides or travels too. It's great to travel but if you don't have the time or the $£$£ you may be limited as to where to go.

There have though, been some really terrific GCA photo tours of brown and beige courses and I for one always enjoy thoroughly studying them.

Whist on the subject of photos, one thing that always amazes me, is the frequent poor quality of the photos on clubs own websites. A limited number and/or poor quality photos is not IMO sensible. Clubs should really put some effort into this aspect, especially in harder economic times. Clubs websites are their shopwindow and shopwindow's should surely aim to attract customer's.

All the best

Andrew Buck

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Re: Public Perception of Brown
« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2013, 04:27:52 PM »
Funny, I was talking to my dad today, who is a superintendent of a small rural Country Club in Illinois.  His greens are firm'ish fast and smooth.  I'm biased, but they are great greens to play on (even if they lack architectural character).

We were talking about how many of the members will needle him referring to his greens as "browns".  While I think there will always be an element of green and arial golf in the game in the US, hopefully this perceptions will change over time much as the tree removal perception is gaining momentum. 

Matthew Rose

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Re: Public Perception of Brown
« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2013, 06:30:27 PM »
I thought Omaha CC looked fantastic. Played fantastic too.

That guy is from Kansas City, which explains everything. Probably a KSU Wildcat or a Mizzou Tiger, and thus predisposed to disparage anything from Nebraska when given any opportunity.
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