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Jim Nelson

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Here we go again...part II
« on: July 17, 2013, 11:27:09 AM »
Let's assume the R&A decides that it will not have the Open at all male clubs and Muirfiled, Royal Troon and RSG are no longer on the Rota.  Which three courses would you nominate to replace them?
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Here we go again...part II
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2013, 11:34:58 AM »
Not sure I'd nominate any. They don't really need nine.... But I'd prefer to see a couple of modern links so that the supposed need to alter yet more classic links is not called upon.

Renaissance Club could replace Muirfield....

Thomas Dai

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Re: Here we go again...part II
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2013, 12:36:01 PM »
What about the position of TOC itself on the rota?

The held there every 5-years cash cow, with the 1st tee and 18th green directly under the Secretary of the R&A's office window. I imagine the non-golfing media/public see TOC and R&A as totally joined at the hip. Care needed.

How about these four (sic) -

The Women's Open at Formby, The (Men's) Open at Formby Ladies?
The Women's Open at Royal Aberdeen, The (Men's) Open at Aberdeen Ladies?
The Women's Open at Lundin, The (Men's) Open at Lundin Ladies?
The Women's Open at TOC, The (Men's Open) at The Ladies putting Club,

All the best


Keith Grande

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Re: Here we go again...part II
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2013, 12:44:07 PM »
Trump International would lobby hard...

Jud_T

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Re: Here we go again...part II
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2013, 12:52:00 PM »
Castle Stuart?
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Jeff Taylor

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Re: Here we go again...part II
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2013, 03:26:35 PM »
Maybe they should hold it at an all women's club.

David Bartman

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Re: Here we go again...part II
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2013, 03:48:53 PM »
Maybe they should hold it at an all women's club.


Do they have any Curves in Scotland or England?
Still need to play Pine Valley!!

Jud_T

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Re: Here we go again...part II
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2013, 03:59:40 PM »
 :-X  :P
« Last Edit: July 17, 2013, 05:33:21 PM by Jud T »
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Jim Nelson

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Re: Here we go again...part II
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2013, 04:43:45 PM »
I thought maybe this thread would get away from the political/social aspects of the Rota and look at viable alternatives.  Guess I was wrong.
I arise in the morning torn between a desire to improve the world and a desire to enjoy the world.  This makes it hard to plan the day.  E. B. White

Garland Bayley

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Re: Here we go again...part II
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2013, 06:23:16 PM »
St. Enodoc
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Bill Gayne

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Re: Here we go again...part II
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2013, 07:56:35 PM »
Royal Links or Royal New Kent.

Garland Bayley

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Re: Here we go again...part II
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2013, 08:26:17 PM »
Royal Links or Royal New Kent.

If we're going that far afield, how about Royal Colwood.
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Here we go again...part II
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2013, 08:37:33 AM »
What about the position of TOC itself on the rota? THe held there every 5-years cash cow, with the 1st tee and 18th green directly under the Secretary of the R&A's office window. I imagine the non-golfing media/public see TOC and R&A as totally joined at the hip. Care needed.
How about these four (sic) -
The Women's Open at Formby, The (Men's) Open at Formby Ladies?
The Women's Open at Royal Aberdeen, The (Men's) Open at Aberdeen Ladies?
The Women's Open at Lundin, The (Men's) Open at Lundin Ladies?
The Women's Open at TOC, The (Men's Open) at The Ladies putting Club,
All the best

Apologies Jim, for the flippancy in response to your serious question.

Some thoughts -

They have apparently looked at Saunton East and ruled it out for logistical reasons. Same plus some course issues with Royal Porthcawl I believe. Of the other traditional 'big beast' links courses plus recent additions, well there's Royal Dornoch, great course, up to it as a test of golf, just not an appropriate location though.

Trump International? Castle Stuart? Don't see it somehow.

Kingsbarns? Ah, that must be in the mind somewhere given it's close location to St Andrews, plus, am I correct in understanding that the R&A put money into its initial development? Are they even co-owners in some way? Maybe incorrect about these latter aspects....I'm sure someone will correct me if my understanding is incorrect.

To replace Royal St Georges, a cash cow given it's nearness to London, they need another SE/Kent course. Could RCP/Deal handle the logistics? Others may be able to say more on this. Princes? Well that's just held the British Amateur. A semi-trial run?

Royal Portrush. There's long been chat but the recent Irish Open did go well.

Royal Aberdeen? Kudos from the recent Walker Cup and the British Seniors went down very well when held there. Scottish Open next year. Trial runs? Course has been recently upgraded. Golf mad city, airport, railway, hotels, mega parking nearby, second course for a big practice area. Murcar/Trump/Cruden Bay etc not far away for final local qualifying. Kind of stacks up. Slight complication of an all male club, but Aberdeen Ladies share the same two courses even though they have a separate 'house. The summer 'haar' along that part of the coast could also be an issue if it decided to roll in - need a windfarm to blow it's fogginess away. Whoooops!

Here's a total oddball from left field. Prestwick? "What!", I can here folk say, "surely you mean Painswick?" But if the USGA can go back to Merian.......? Apologies, couldn't resist being flippant again!

My point about TOC though, which no one has yet picked-up on, was serious. To repeat it "What about the position of TOC itself on the rota? The held there every 5-years cash cow, with the 1st tee and 18th green directly under the Secretary of the R&A's office window. I imagine the non-golfing media/public see TOC and R&A as totally joined at the hip. Care needed."

Smokescreens and glass and mirrors!

All the best.


Jim Nelson

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Re: Here we go again...part II
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2013, 09:14:20 AM »
What about the position of TOC itself on the rota? THe held there every 5-years cash cow, with the 1st tee and 18th green directly under the Secretary of the R&A's office window. I imagine the non-golfing media/public see TOC and R&A as totally joined at the hip. Care needed.
How about these four (sic) -
The Women's Open at Formby, The (Men's) Open at Formby Ladies?
The Women's Open at Royal Aberdeen, The (Men's) Open at Aberdeen Ladies?
The Women's Open at Lundin, The (Men's) Open at Lundin Ladies?
The Women's Open at TOC, The (Men's Open) at The Ladies putting Club,
All the best

Apologies Jim, for the flippancy in response to your serious question.

Some thoughts -

They have apparently looked at Saunton East and ruled it out for logistical reasons. Same plus some course issues with Royal Porthcawl I believe. Of the other traditional 'big beast' links courses plus recent additions, well there's Royal Dornoch, great course, up to it as a test of golf, just not an appropriate location though.

Trump International? Castle Stuart? Don't see it somehow.

Kingsbarns? Ah, that must be in the mind somewhere given it's close location to St Andrews, plus, am I correct in understanding that the R&A put money into its initial development? Are they even co-owners in some way? Maybe incorrect about these latter aspects....I'm sure someone will correct me if my understanding is incorrect.

To replace Royal St Georges, a cash cow given it's nearness to London, they need another SE/Kent course. Could RCP/Deal handle the logistics? Others may be able to say more on this. Princes? Well that's just held the British Amateur. A semi-trial run?

Royal Portrush. There's long been chat but the recent Irish Open did go well.

Royal Aberdeen? Kudos from the recent Walker Cup and the British Seniors went down very well when held there. Scottish Open next year. Trial runs? Course has been recently upgraded. Golf mad city, airport, railway, hotels, mega parking nearby, second course for a big practice area. Murcar/Trump/Cruden Bay etc not far away for final local qualifying. Kind of stacks up. Slight complication of an all male club, but Aberdeen Ladies share the same two courses even though they have a separate 'house. The summer 'haar' along that part of the coast could also be an issue if it decided to roll in - need a windfarm to blow it's fogginess away. Whoooops!

Here's a total oddball from left field. Prestwick? "What!", I can here folk say, "surely you mean Painswick?" But if the USGA can go back to Merian.......? Apologies, couldn't resist being flippant again!

My point about TOC though, which no one has yet picked-up on, was serious. To repeat it "What about the position of TOC itself on the rota? The held there every 5-years cash cow, with the 1st tee and 18th green directly under the Secretary of the R&A's office window. I imagine the non-golfing media/public see TOC and R&A as totally joined at the hip. Care needed."

Smokescreens and glass and mirrors!

All the best.


Thanks for your response and no worries.  I know there is the "Rota" but with the incredible number of courses throughout the UK, I find it interesting that there are not that many you would seriously consider as alternatives.  Does a lot of this have to do with tradition?  The USGA actively seeks out new courses (public) to bring to the forefront.  I think this has had mixed results, but hey, can't blame them for trying.  The R&A occasionally throws one of the older courses in the mix such as Hoylake.  Keeping my list fairly close to the ones being taken out, (again, leaving politics aside) I will give this a shot.  Probably should have in the first place. 

East Lothian:
Renaissance
North Berwick

Southeast England
Royal Cinque Port

Western Scotland
Prestwick
Western Gailes

I have not played the last two and have no idea whether or not they would work.

Jim
I arise in the morning torn between a desire to improve the world and a desire to enjoy the world.  This makes it hard to plan the day.  E. B. White

Jud_T

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Re: Here we go again...part II
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2013, 09:33:15 AM »
Let's hope it doesn't go to Prestwick or North Berwick or the ensuing bastardization to protect par will make the work at Muirfield look like a fart in a Scottish gale.
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak