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Jim_Kennedy

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Jay Sigel - He "Got" It
« on: July 16, 2013, 12:28:59 PM »
Not saying he was the first or the only player to get it, but how different things might have been if they went in this direction.

http://gsr.lib.msu.edu/1980s/1980/800304.pdf
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

RJ_Daley

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Re: Jay Sigel - He "Got" It
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2013, 12:58:09 PM »
Was there ever speculation that Jay Sigel was considered to be a front runner for USGA Pres or executive position?
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David_Tepper

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Re: Jay Sigel - He "Got" It
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2013, 01:18:58 PM »
It looks like Sigel's article was written/published in 1980. It is a shame the message has yet to sink in!

JMEvensky

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Re: Jay Sigel - He "Got" It
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2013, 01:22:38 PM »
Thanks for posting this.


Peter Pallotta

Re: Jay Sigel - He "Got" It
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2013, 01:28:41 PM »
It looks like Sigel's article was written/published in 1980. It is a shame the message has yet to sink in!

Yes - thanks, Jim for posting that...amazing that long before the internet and discussion boards and consensus opinions (and before the golf course-residential boom of the 1980s that went against everything he was suggesting) Sigel simply reported what he saw and knew and experienced as a top flight player playing top flight courses and concluded that there was a better way.

Peter

Mark Pritchett

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Re: Jay Sigel - He "Got" It
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2013, 02:07:06 PM »
Thanks Jim.  Great stuff. 

Lynn_Shackelford

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Re: Jay Sigel - He "Got" It
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2013, 02:42:33 PM »
Most impressive considering the date it was written.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Jay Sigel - He "Got" It
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2013, 02:45:19 PM »
We got to know Jay a little bit while working on the first 18 holes at Stonewall, where he was a consultant to the design.  His ideas on "shot values" were just a bit different than mine and Gil's, but clearly he understood conditioning pretty well. 

Jay wasn't involved with the club much after it opened, but they have always done better than most in Philadelphia at their maintenance priorities -- partly because their water supply is limited and the superintendent can't just water it all spring and summer or he'll run out.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Jay Sigel - He "Got" It
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2013, 04:02:42 PM »
Jay and Jerome Travers were (somewhat) on the same page.  ;)

http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/AmericanGolfer/1909/ag18d.pdf
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Jay Sigel - He "Got" It
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2013, 04:48:18 PM »
This guys seem to have been on the right track:

http://gsr.lib.msu.edu/1980s/1983/830304.pdf

...as well as this one. I read a 2012 article about him in which GCA's own Shel Solow was quoted as saying:  “It starts with the fact that Paul is very, very good at what he does … he knows how to take care of a golf course, he knows how to grow grass …

http://gsr.lib.msu.edu/1980s/1983/830306.pdf

(The quoted article, if you're curious to learn a bit more about Paul Voykin)

http://www.chicagogolfreport.com/legendary-chicago-golf-course-superintendent-paul-voykin-2/

« Last Edit: July 16, 2013, 04:50:59 PM by Jim_Kennedy »
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon