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Garland Bayley

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A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club (all eighteen posted) New
« on: July 07, 2013, 01:24:55 AM »
Salem Golf Club is the work of A. Vernon Macan, as reported in The Oregon Sunday Journal, 1/29/28, and The Oregon Statesman, 5/15/28, 8/16/28, and 10/28/28.

One of Macan's principles was to not penalize bold play on the approach. This is exhibited by his refusal to place bunkers deeper than the center of the green, as he did not want to penalize the player that went over the green, but would rather penalize the timid player playing short. The bunker placement in the routing shown below demonstrates this principle.

Unfortunately Salem Golf Club is on a relatively small piece of property. This limited routing options, and prevented Macan from some of his ideals. He preferred to have holes change directions with each successive hole. Holes laid out in triangles allowed for this. One of his ideal routings would be a triangle near the club house allowing return in three holes, and a pair of triangles back to back that would allow return to the club house after six holes. The routing shown below shows he was able to make a change in direction form one to two, from three to four, from six to seven to eight to nine, and from ten to eleven to twelve to thirteen. Other turns in direction went back in the direction that previous hole came from, which is something he wished to avoid, but the size of the property limited him.

SalemGolfClubRouting by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Another of his principles specified an ideal configuration of hole lengths. Specifically, ideally he wanted six holes at or just beyond the limit of players to reach in two shots. Five holes that he called drive and iron holes, three holes that he called drive and pitch holes, and four one shot holes. The total length would reach 6200 to 6400 yards.

Salem Golf Club adheres to this principle fairly closely with one less hole on the border of reachability and one more one shotter, but still falling in the total length range at 6236 yards. When he began his career he limited the long holes at 475 yards, but as equipment and players improved he upped that limit to 525 yards.

1 471 Par 5 border of reachability

SalemGolfClub01 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Macan wanted to allow the lesser golfers to have fun, but challenge the better players. His placement of bunkers on the first hole shows how he placed them beyond what could be reached by the average golfer.

The tee shot shows a common affliction in the Pacific Northwest, trees that have grown up to restrict play or that have been added to “beautify” the course. Macan, like MacKenzie specified that trees should be planted in clumps allowing openings between clumps for daring and spectacular recovery shots.

SalemGolfClub001 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Second shot for the average golfer that cannot reach the “traps.” Macan made a complete switch from always calling them bunkers in Ireland where he learned the game and always calling them traps after his move across the pond thereby adopting the common name used in the west.

SalemGolfClub002 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Approach shot for third on the opening par 5.

SalemGolfClub003 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr
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David Kelly

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2013, 01:29:27 AM »
The bunkers on hole #1 look like they are flush with the fairway.  How deep are they and are they at all difficult to get out of?
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Garland Bayley

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2013, 01:33:50 AM »
The bunkers on hole #1 look like they are flush with the fairway.  How deep are they and are they at all difficult to get out of?

They are shallow and not difficult to get out of. This can be expected from a modest club like Salem. I can not tell you what they were like when the course was just finished. But, perhaps an old timer like Mucci who has been everywhere can. ;D
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Jeff_Mingay

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2013, 09:23:49 AM »
Wow, Salem looks like (too) many courses in the Pacific Northwest... I think it has something to do with all of the awful trees planted over the years, which have constricted these layouts, horribly ;D
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Garland Bayley

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club New
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2013, 11:30:24 AM »
2 384 Par 4 Drive and iron

SalemGolfClub02 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

The tee shot on two shows you crossing cart paths where #2 and #8 cross. The course boundary is on the left of the hole with dense forest running down that side.

SalemGolfClub005 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Bunker on the right shows that Macan prefers you need to play near the course boundary to get the preferred approach.

SalemGolfClub006 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Green slope from right down to left reinforces the need to play near the boundary to get the preferred approach. The unfortunate thing is that the trees have probably exploded in size and number making the preferred play harder than intended.

SalemGolfClub007 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr
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Bill_McBride

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2013, 01:22:36 PM »
I played Waverly last week in Portland.  Gil Hanse did a lot of terrific restoration (to a 1930's style) according to my companions, as this was my first visit.    The number one thing he did was recommend the removal of a lot of trees, and the result was a course in the Pacific NW with plenty of room to hit the ball.  Only one hole was rather claustrophobic, the tree lined par 5 fifth.   No where else did the course feel cramped.  I would like to play Salem after the clearing is complete and the lumber hauled off!

Garland Bayley

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2013, 02:49:46 PM »
Thanks Bill. We can use all the advocation for tree removal in the PNW that we can get. :)
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Bill_McBride

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2013, 05:27:05 PM »
Thanks Bill. We can use all the advocation for tree removal in the PNW that we can get. :)


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Pete_Pittock

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2013, 10:40:06 PM »
I played Waverly last week in Portland.  Gil Hanse did a lot of terrific restoration (to a 1930's style) according to my companions, as this was my first visit.    The number one thing he did was recommend the removal of a lot of trees, and the result was a course in the Pacific NW with plenty of room to hit the ball.  Only one hole was rather claustrophobic, the tree lined par 5 fifth.   No where else did the course feel cramped.  I would like to play Salem after the clearing is complete and the lumber hauled off!

Bill,
I didn't feel any claustrophobia after my drive ended up on the 4th hole.

As Garland says, Salem is on a very restricted acreage. Many of the trees become safety features for errant shots from other fairways and directions. Salem GC hosts the OGA's Parent-Child tournament for the umpty umph time this coming weekend. Course record is 58 by former PGA player Pat Fitzsimons

Bill_McBride

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2013, 10:49:46 PM »
I played Waverly last week in Portland.  Gil Hanse did a lot of terrific restoration (to a 1930's style) according to my companions, as this was my first visit.    The number one thing he did was recommend the removal of a lot of trees, and the result was a course in the Pacific NW with plenty of room to hit the ball.  Only one hole was rather claustrophobic, the tree lined par 5 fifth.   No where else did the course feel cramped.  I would like to play Salem after the clearing is complete and the lumber hauled off!

Bill,
I didn't feel any claustrophobia after my drive ended up on the 4th hole.

As Garland says, Salem is on a very restricted acreage. Many of the trees become safety features for errant shots from other fairways and directions. Salem GC hosts the OGA's Parent-Child tournament for the umpty umph time this coming weekend. Course record is 58 by former PGA player Pat Fitzsimons

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Mike Erdmann

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2013, 02:42:43 AM »
Garland, if they're available online, do you have links to the articles you reference?  I've always seen Salem Golf Club credited to Ercel Kay, never to Macan, so I'd enjoy seeing the articles.  Macan did design the original Illahee Hills CC course (NLE - just to the S/SW of the existing Illahe Hills CC course) which was a couple miles down River Rd from Salem Golf Club.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2013, 10:30:57 AM »
Garland, if they're available online, do you have links to the articles you reference?  I've always seen Salem Golf Club credited to Ercel Kay, never to Macan, so I'd enjoy seeing the articles.  Macan did design the original Illahee Hills CC course (NLE - just to the S/SW of the existing Illahe Hills CC course) which was a couple miles down River Rd from Salem Golf Club.

No, I don't have links to the articles. Michael Riste found the articles and referenced them in his Biography of Macan. Here's a quote from one that may explain the confusion. "Vernon Macan, who ranks alongside Chandler Egan as the leading golf course designer on the coast, laid out the new course here. He recently stated to Mr. Kay, owner, that he has never seen a tract of land that combined all the desirable features for a golf course as this one."

I think Macan gets shorted in credit for some of his work, because he treated golf architecture like architects do for buildings. He makes the plans and then someone else does the construction. He was on site some to make sure the builders understood and carried out the plans, but he did not do the building. So perhaps Mr. Kay, the owner, took charge of the construction, and thereby gets credit erroneously.

"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Garland Bayley

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club New
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2013, 01:04:44 PM »
3 188 Par 3 one shotter

SalemGolfClub03 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Obviously the Google Earth shot was from a bad angle, or there would not be playable hole here. Apparently a tee has been added to the right that I did not notice while playing from the left tee, but shows up on the Google Earth view.

The picture from the tee is actually taken from the cart path to the right of the tee to give a better view of the green.

SalemGolfClub008 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

This is taken from the right side of the green after we both chipped on from there. The green slopes down from here so it seems quite apparent that Macan's intention for the hole is gone. The proper play to this green would be to cut a shot from the tee into the side slope of the green by starting the ball towards the course boundary on the left. With the plethora of trees present, that shot is gone.

SalemGolfClub009 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr
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Garland Bayley

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club New
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2013, 07:48:13 PM »
4 395 Par 4 Drive and iron

SalemGolfClub04 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

The area on the right in the satellite view is a fruit tree orchard. It is currently being renovated with a local rule to take a free drop away from any of the fruit trees. As can be seen in the picture below, this is a straight away two shot hole.

SalemGolfClub010 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

The approach is over a water feature to a shallow punch bowl green. Macan seldom used greens that slope from back down to front, with his rule being only if the land indicated it. In this case, the land so indicated so this is the most receptive green on the course.

SalemGolfClub011 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

From behind the green showing the slope down to the front.

SalemGolfClub012 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr
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Garland Bayley

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club New
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2013, 04:46:02 PM »
5 352 Par 4 Drive and pitch

SalemGolfClub05 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Back tee is actually less intimidating that the forward tee as it is raised up taking the water out of mind while the front tee is set right up against the water.

SalemGolfClub013 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

SalemGolfClub014 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr
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"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Garland Bayley

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club New
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2013, 05:43:20 PM »
6 168 Par 3 one shotter

SalemGolfClub06 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

SalemGolfClub015 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

This green is best hit with a draw coming in from the course boundary on the right. (That is if the encroaching trees on the right were removed to let the hole play as intended.)

SalemGolfClub017 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr
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Garland Bayley

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club New
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2013, 08:38:12 PM »
7 505 Par 5 border of reachability

SalemGolfClub07 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Tee shot

SalemGolfClub018 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

2nd shot

SalemGolfClub019 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

approach

SalemGolfClub020 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

green benched up the slope from fariway

SalemGolfClub021 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

If you look carefully, you can find my ball nestled in what looked like a bobcat track. (Not far from the green we found remains of a stellar jay. Don't know if that's related, bobcats prefer rabbits). Steep face of the bunker makes taking a stance difficult and making a shot near impossible.  Got the ball to hit the lip and fall back to the floor of the bunker from where I was able to extract it.

SalemGolfClub022 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

green close-up

SalemGolfClub023 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr
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DMoriarty

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2013, 08:58:40 PM »
I think Macan gets shorted in credit for some of his work, because he treated golf architecture like architects do for buildings. He makes the plans and then someone else does the construction. He was on site some to make sure the builders understood and carried out the plans, but he did not do the building. So perhaps Mr. Kay, the owner, took charge of the construction, and thereby gets credit erroneously.

This was somewhat commonplace when a prominent member rather than the architect was the one actually constructing the course, as opposed to planning it.  And it is easy to see how it could happen the membership sees that one prominent member in charge of what appears to be the entire creation process.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club New
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2013, 12:24:41 AM »
8 147 Par 3 one shotter

SalemGolfClub08 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Tee shot.

SalemGolfClub024 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Green side bunker. Deer tracks in this one.

SalemGolfClub025 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Green

SalemGolfClub026 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

9 517 Par 5 border of reachability

SalemGolfClub09 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Tee shot. I believe the hole has been extended a little by cutting the back tee into the trees a little.

SalemGolfClub027 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Second shot.

SalemGolfClub028 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Approach shot.

SalemGolfClub029 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Green. High handicapper has ball lying up by flag for birdie putt. :)

SalemGolfClub030 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Single digit handicapper trying to save par from greenside bunker.

SalemGolfClub031 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr
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Garland Bayley

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club New
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2013, 12:35:02 AM »
10 354 Par 4 Drive and pitch

SalemGolfClub10 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Tee shot. Hole runs slightly down hill dogleg right.

SalemGolfClub033 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Green.

SalemGolfClub034 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

11 382 Par 4 Drive and iron

SalemGolfClub11 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Tee shot. Clearly needs some tree clearing. Unless you can significantly turn the ball you will run out of golf course at about 200 yards.

SalemGolfClub035 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Approach shot.

SalemGolfClub036 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr
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David Harshbarger

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2013, 09:10:34 AM »
Garland, is this claustrophobic tree-shroud common on these courses?  Hole after hole the trees encroach on the line of play.  On other Macan courses you've described more Macan strategy.  Is that present here? 
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Garland Bayley

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2013, 11:45:58 AM »
David,

This is the worst I've seen on a Macan. As Pete noted, they may feel they need the trees for safety as it is on a small property. As I noted early on, the trees are preventing the strategic approach that Macan envisioned.

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Garland Bayley

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club New
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2013, 01:18:27 AM »
12 142 Par 3 one shotter

SalemGolfClub12 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Tee shot.

SalemGolfClub037 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Green surface.

SalemGolfClub038 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

13 371 Par 4 Drive and iron

SalemGolfClub13 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

There's a water hazard along the right side of this hole. But, with all the trees it would be nearly impossible to reach it with you tee shot. The trees actually force you to play considerably away from it.

SalemGolfClub039 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Approach shot.

SalemGolfClub040 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

14 455 Par 5 border of reachability

SalemGolfClub14 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Tee shot showing bunker on right/outside of the dogleg.

SalemGolfClub042 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Second shot/approach.

SalemGolfClub043 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

View across the green from the right side, with 12th green flag showing in the background.

SalemGolfClub045 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr
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Garland Bayley

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club New
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2013, 10:35:47 AM »
15 173 Par 3 one shotter

SalemGolfClub15 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

The view from the tee shows there are clearly too many trees. This hole is isolated enough that most all of the trees are unnecessary for safety.

SalemGolfClub044 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Green side view.

SalemGolfClub046 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

16 293 Par 4 Drive and pitch

SalemGolfClub16 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

View from the tee box. I would guess the very mature trees just to the left of the tee box were intended to be there by design. However, the smaller trees seen encroaching from the left were probably added later and inhibit an aggressive play to the corner of the dogleg some.

SalemGolfClub047 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

The green is well guarded for the short pitch into it.

SalemGolfClub048 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

View from the left side of the green showing the green running away from this side.

SalemGolfClub049 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr
« Last Edit: February 14, 2018, 01:16:53 PM by Garland Bayley »
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Garland Bayley

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Re: A. V. Macan's Salem Golf Club New
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2013, 02:31:51 PM »
17 405 Par 4 Drive and iron

SalemGolfClub17 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Tee shot.

SalemGolfClub050 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Approach. The green apparently slopes front to back but doesn't appear that way since the ground is sloping down to it on the approach. You get this same effect playing down canyon at Rustic Canyon as reported on the current Rustic Canyon thread.

SalemGolfClub051 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

18 497 Par 5 border of reachability

SalemGolfClub18 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Long straight uphill hole to finish at the clubhouse. I once again believe the hole has been extended some by cutting more tee back into the forest.

SalemGolfClub052 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

There are thick trees all down the left. I wish they would clear segments of them out and expose some view of the railroad track that runs parallel to the hole. How many great links holes are there in the British Isles with an OB railroad track paralleling them? Quite a few I believe.

SalemGolfClub053 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

Approach. Notice the bunker is on the right, because Macan wanted players to play close to the OB for the best approach.

SalemGolfClub054 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr

18th Green.

SalemGolfClub055 by Garland Bayley, on Flickr
« Last Edit: February 14, 2018, 01:26:25 PM by Garland Bayley »
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