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Ran Morrissett

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The world’s best travel agent is Mark Rowlinson. Too bad he isn’t - in fact - one!

Just do what he says and you’ll be happy. He said go play Reddish Vale and I did. GREAT MOVE. Next time, I’ll head to Beau Desert, Cavendish and Bull Bay.

Some courses – California Golf Club of San Francisco, Sleepy Hollow, NGLA and Oakmont to name but a few – have popped in recent times in part because they have de-forested. Golfers are once again permitted to marvel at their surrounds and the work of master architects. There is reason to hope that the same will soon be said of Reddish Vale. Clearing has slowly but surely begun with their energetic Greenkeeper Nick Wilde leading the return back to the course’s glory days. If you like views for miles upon miles, a twisting flowing river, ravines, gullies, and MacKenzie, then you will find Reddish Vale as appealing as I did.

When reviewing a course, I don’t know what else to do but boil it down to the merit of the holes individually and then how they come together collectively. Along that line of thinking, it would not take long for this course to zoom into the UK Top 50 or 75 if the river and steep embankments that define the vale where brought back into plain view. MacKenzie’s work speaks for itself, don’t worry about that. For proof of that, please see Sean Arble’s observations found here: http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,46177.0.html

The timing of this review is fortuitous due to a striking number of similarities with Merion from her white tees. Both courses feature brilliant routings that use every inch of space to maximum gain, both have a nine that measures under 2,900 yards, both occupy properties in the ~120 acre range, both feature distinctive landforms as well as the fact that both will wear out your utility woods! Most of all, you leave them thinking that no architect dead or alive could improve upon either design. They represent high caliber golf in a 6,100 yard package.

I was talking with Steve Lapper recently about GolfClubAtlas.com starting a ranking. Groan, groan, groan, you think as your eyes roll back in your head.  :'( Wait! Ours would be of the world’s best 6,500y and under courses. Let’s give clubs a reason NOT to expand their tee boxes backwards. Let’s herald courses that still value walking by keeping the green to tee walks tight. Though we may never compile such a ranking, it is wonderful to tip the hat to exceedingly worthy places such as Reddish Vale and Fraserburgh.

Considerable work remains to be done at Reddish Vale before MacKenzie would fully recognize it. However, this is well underway. We need to stay closely attuned to the progress and perhaps GolfClubAtlas.com’s own Duncan Cheslett who is a member there will assist. The upside of seeing this MacKenzie gem brightly polished is huge.

Best,
« Last Edit: June 29, 2013, 10:22:48 PM by Ran Morrissett »

Tommy Williamsen

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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2013, 10:37:59 PM »
Ran, I have played Reddish Vale, Beau Desert, Cavendish and Bull Bay with our intrepid bass.  When he told me where we were going, I thought, "C'mon, Mark there have to be better courses than these."  They were all astonishing and none resembled any of the others.  The only similarity is that they all have greens and holes in them. Throw in Delamere Forest, Sandiway, and couple of others, including his home course and you get a tour of courses that 99% of Americans miss.  Too bad because each has something different to offer.  England and Wales have some of the most interesting and diverse courses in the world.  Bull Bay is unlike anything you will ever play.  To use Mark's words it is "Mad". But oh is it fun.  Reddish Vale has some holes that leave your scratching your head and others that belong in the Hall of Fame.
Thanks for posting.  I brings back fond memories.
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Brent Hutto

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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2013, 01:16:25 PM »
Re: the profile narrative, the tenth does indeed possess a "fine natural green site". For me the 10th through 14th holes are just a wonderful stretch of golf. The front nine has several very good holes but that five-hole stretch starting the inward nine is the key to the round.

Interesting given that Notts was mentioned but that's another course with a great opening stretch for the second nine.

Duncan Cheslett

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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2013, 03:50:00 PM »
It was an honour and a great pleasure to welcome Ran to my home club and to accompany him and Sean Arble on the course. It was an even greater pleasure to see how much Ran and Sean enjoyed the experience and to hear them enthuse about just how good a course Reddish Vale is.

We are far from alone in allowing trees to run riot over the last 40 years or so. To a large degree I can understand why it seemed a good idea here; Reddish Vale is located in a less than salubrious neighbourhood and the dense forestation around the perimeter of the course provides welcome sreeening from the outside world. After the first three holes one has a sublime feeling of rural isolation while in actual fact being within one of Europe's most populous urban conurbations.

One can have too much of a good thing however, and Ran immediately picked up on the glorious views across the vale in which the main body of the course lies from the initial few holes on high ground. These views of course, now no longer exist because trees have been allowed to obscure them completely.

Some of our older members remember when the course was completely devoid of trees and mourn the loss of of the open aspect and the added impact the wind then had on play. Other of our older members inevitably, think that trees are marvellous things, that you can't have enough of them, and will resist all efforts to return the course to its original form.

Younger members (anyone under 60) have no experience of anything other than the status quo and will  understandably assume that this is how things have always been. That many trees have grown some 20' in height in as many years will be noticed by few. It is here that pieces such as Ran's can have a positive effect upon attitudes.

Hopefully Ran's excellent analysis will add further impetus to the drive within the club to reveal this fine course's full potential once more and cement a deserved position within the UK's top 100.

Anyone who fancies a visit just give me a shout.

golf@duncancheslett.com

« Last Edit: July 02, 2013, 02:41:27 AM by Duncan Cheslett »

Jim Eder

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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2013, 10:49:40 AM »
Ran,

Thank you for the terrific write-up. I thought Reddish Vale was special when I played it and now I KNOW it is special. Of course any round with Duncan is great fun but on a course like Reddish Vale it is perfect. I saw Duncan's piece and knew Mark Rowlinson thought highly of the golf course so I came in with very high expectations and those expectations were wildly exceeded. There is great golf, there is a beautiful setting. What a piece of land! So many great holes. Fantastic par 3s. So interesting, so much fun. I didn't want to get off the course and I already can't wait to get back. Thank you for helping others find another gem they maybe would not have played. It sure is well worth it.

To second your view, Mark Rowlinson is amazing. He has given me great golf ideas and every single one was fantastic and fun. I am so thankful to Mark for opening my eyes to places I would never have even known, let alone played, and for making my visits that much better. Thanks as always Mark.
 

Paul_Turner

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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2013, 01:02:23 PM »
Marvelous write up Ran.  Great to see you are still going well off the beaten track...

I wonder is the consensus for Cheshire that Mackenzie's Reddish Vale is better than Colt's (perhaps with a little Mackenzie too) Prestbury?
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John Mayhugh

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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2013, 01:17:49 PM »
Here's another profile that shows how true the "less is more" approach works with photos in a course profile.  The pictures of the 1st & 18th alone (two of the first three in the profile) sold me.

Duncan, next time I'm over there I'm going to take you up on your offer. 

Any praise for Mark Rowlinson is well-deserved.  He's been a tremendous resource, and is also a pleasure to play a round with.


David_Elvins

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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2013, 12:24:13 AM »
Another great write-up.   The depth of good golf in England is truly amazing. 
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Sean_A

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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2013, 07:45:04 AM »
Marvelous write up Ran.  Great to see you are still going well off the beaten track...

I wonder is the consensus for Cheshire that Mackenzie's Reddish Vale is better than Colt's (perhaps with a little Mackenzie too) Prestbury?

Paul

I think both are in the same class and only personal preference places one above the other.  Prestbury, while more conventional than Reddish Vale, yet not without its wild moments, is a very classy design not to be overlooked.  Because RV is less than 1/3 the cost of a slightly expensive Prestbury, between the two, I would choose RV if in the area with only one chance for a game - it really is one of the great bargains in England. 

Ran, thanks for another great write-up. 

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Mark_Rowlinson

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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2013, 11:01:28 AM »
Paul,

Reddish Vale is an exceptional course and exceedingly good value for money. Prestbury is a similarly good course, and it also has its real high spots, such as the impossibly difficult par-4 9th and the brilliant par-4 16th. It is, as Sean mentions, comparatively expensive but it does have a very comfortable clubhouse and even a halfway house and in summer the course is beautifully maintained. I'm involved in the Prestbury Centenary Book (starting early for 2020!) and I look forward to getting to know the members and staff as well as reacquainting myself with the delights of the course.

I did a photo tour of Prestbury two or three years ago on GCA if you do a search. I have taken a complete set of photos more recently. I could let you have a set if it were of interest. You pointed out to me some years ago how treeless Prestbury was when built. It has too many trees now.

Terry Lavin

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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2013, 02:27:43 PM »
Wow. This is as much of a pleasant surprise as my first look at Notts. The more I look, the deeper England's "bench" appears to be. Thanks, as always.
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Duncan Cheslett

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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2013, 06:56:13 AM »
I wonder is the consensus for Cheshire that Mackenzie's Reddish Vale is better than Colt's (perhaps with a little Mackenzie too) Prestbury?

I would say that the concensus among most golfers (and raters) is that Prestbury ranks higher than Reddish Vale. I suspect that the reason for this is more to do Prestbury being an up-market club in one of Englands most affluent villages, and Reddish Vale being a largely blue-collar club in a scruffy district of south east Manchester, than the quality of the actual courses.

It is noticable that a fair proportion of MacKenzie courses in northern England are not at particularly swanky clubs.


By the way Mark,

Have you played Davenport since you wrote the Cheshire book? I played there yesterday and was mightily impressed. It passed my 'Could I See Myself as a Member of this Club?' test with flying colours. Not many do...

Robin_Hiseman

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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2013, 11:54:20 AM »
That's a terrific review Ran.  Makes me want to jump in the car and head up the M6 right away.  Another little gem added to the list.
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Mark_Rowlinson

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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2013, 01:08:12 PM »
Duncan, I haven't been back to Davenport since the book. Maybe we should meet up there one of these days.

Ronald Montesano

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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2014, 08:43:26 PM »
I was reading this review and barely got to the first hole when I ran into something with which I disagree. Here is Ran's description of the tee ball on number one at Reddish Vale:

"First hole, 420 yards; The least interesting shot on the entire course occurs on the first tee. That puts Reddish Vale in good company with Scotland’s Turnberry and Sebonack on Long Island. Housing is visible and the fairway appears flat and devoid of interest. However, a two hundred yard walk ahead unveils something entirely different. The game is on!"

Assuming that Ran is calling out the tee ball on the real first hole (not the one they used at the Women's Open), I have to disagree. That's a cool tee shot and I can't imagine how it is the least interesting shot on the entire course.

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