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JimB

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Re: "It's uphill but down grain" or a design feature?
« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2013, 12:18:14 PM »

6 at Cypress Point has a very strong back to front slope.  I was incredulous when the caddie gave me a 5' break on a 20' putt from left center to right center.   When I made it I became a believer!    

Bill, you have me wondering if you mean 5 or 7? What I find so interesting about six is while it looks back to front it plays pretty level, hence the caddies' explanation. I think it is the way it is benched into the dune against the overall slope of the land to the ocean much like what you describe at VC and Rustic. If it was six, what part? The only place I think that could happen would be the very front.

Joe Hancock

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Re: "It's uphill but down grain" or a design feature?
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2013, 12:37:20 PM »
Joe, the key is knowing where the moon is before you putt.

It's always directly behind me, no matter what direction I'm facing.
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

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jonathan_becker

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Re: "It's uphill but down grain" or a design feature?
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2013, 09:10:14 AM »
I was fortunate enough to play the original green in question a couple times last week and I, too, was fooled by what I thought should have clearly been an upward sloping green.  However, it really isn't.  The fact that there's a 3 foot rise up to the front edge from a few paces short and the fact that the green is benched into the huge dune with 7 tee being above clearly creates an illusion.

Google Earth isn't perfect, but you can see from the front edge moving directly into the green and towards the dune that the rise doesn't fully hit 80 ft from 79 ft until the yellow line.  After that line, it's still only 80 ft to the back bunker.  Over the length of the green, a foot of rise, in my opinion, is nothing.  Hence, the reason that many players, including myself, fell victim to the "uphill" pitch shot from short and end up crushing the ball to the back fringe.  

There are a couple bumpers on each side of the green that rise to 80 ft and from the left 80 ft marker up to the blue 80 ft marker that's really the only noticeable elevated portion of the green other than past the yellow line.  Anything left and right of that blue marker drops back to roughly 79 ft.  The raised bumpers, imo, add to the uphill illusion as well.

Dr Mac....the master of camo!


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