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Scott Szabo

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Awarii Dunes
« on: June 05, 2013, 12:15:48 PM »
We will be heading out for our annual outing through Nebraska and this year we will be getting a round in at Awarii Dunes.
Thoughts on the course from those who have played it?
« Last Edit: June 05, 2013, 12:33:22 PM by Scott Szabo »
"So your man hit it into a fairway bunker, hit the wrong side of the green, and couldn't hit a hybrid off a sidehill lie to take advantage of his length? We apologize for testing him so thoroughly." - Tom Doak, 6/29/10

astavrides

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Re: Awarii Dunes New
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2013, 01:25:35 PM »
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« Last Edit: July 31, 2013, 12:23:02 PM by astavrides »

Jason Hines

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2013, 06:15:38 PM »
Hi Scott,
I tried to play 18 months ago but too much lightening, have seen some pictures in the Kearney paper online and it “appears” that conditions have improved. Might try and play it at the end of next month just to experience for myself.  If you go, please report back if you would.
Jason

Jaeger Kovich

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2013, 08:00:40 AM »
Awarii Dunes gets the award for most drain inlets within greens... On a related note, also didn't score well in the "functions as a golf course" category! ... cool property though, especially on the back 9

Scott Szabo

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2013, 10:08:17 AM »
Quite a glowing review, Jaeger.  I think you've spending too much time overseas.
I've only played one Engh course (Harmony Club) and rather enjoyed it.  It was over the top in a few areas, but fun to play.
I'm looking forward to Awarii Dunes.  We'll be playing next Wednesday afternoon.
I'm pretty easy to get along with.  Give me a ball, some grass, and good company and I'll do just fine.
My expectations are tempered a bit given the comments from some.  Hopefully I'm pleasantly surprised.
"So your man hit it into a fairway bunker, hit the wrong side of the green, and couldn't hit a hybrid off a sidehill lie to take advantage of his length? We apologize for testing him so thoroughly." - Tom Doak, 6/29/10

Brian Finn

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2013, 11:06:28 AM »
Quite a glowing review, Jaeger.  I think you've spending too much time overseas.
I've only played one Engh course (Harmony Club) and rather enjoyed it.  It was over the top in a few areas, but fun to play.
I'm looking forward to Awarii Dunes.  We'll be playing next Wednesday afternoon.
I'm pretty easy to get along with.  Give me a ball, some grass, and good company and I'll do just fine.
My expectations are tempered a bit given the comments from some.  Hopefully I'm pleasantly surprised.

Scott - please report back after you play.  It has been on a list of possible stops for me when I (finally) drive from Omaha (where my brother lives) to the Sand Hills...
New for '24: Monifieth x2, Montrose x2, Panmure, Carnoustie x3, Scotscraig, Kingsbarns, Elie, Dumbarnie, Lundin, Belvedere, The Loop x2, Forest Dunes, Arcadia Bluffs x2, Kapalua Plantation, Windsong Farm, Minikahda...

Scott Szabo

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2013, 08:08:50 PM »
Expectations were tempered, and I came away sadly disappointed.  
« Last Edit: June 15, 2013, 04:15:18 PM by Scott Szabo »
"So your man hit it into a fairway bunker, hit the wrong side of the green, and couldn't hit a hybrid off a sidehill lie to take advantage of his length? We apologize for testing him so thoroughly." - Tom Doak, 6/29/10

Jim Johnson

Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2013, 08:33:07 PM »
Care to elaborate, Scott?

Scott Szabo

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2013, 09:04:23 PM »
I'll try and elaborate more in a few days.  Quite honestly I'm stunned.
"So your man hit it into a fairway bunker, hit the wrong side of the green, and couldn't hit a hybrid off a sidehill lie to take advantage of his length? We apologize for testing him so thoroughly." - Tom Doak, 6/29/10

Jason Hines

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2013, 09:18:43 PM »
Oh my.......

RJ_Daley

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2013, 11:10:49 PM »
I'll give an admittedly very subjective comment based on impressions of the overall look and location of the facility.  And to add to the weak validity of my remarks, I admit I only visited and never played the course.  I read and viewed all the threads from the developer comments during conception and construction, to Mark Salzman's excellent photo essay and tour. 

In terms of natural terrain assets, I don't think AD has any more or less advantage over Wild Horse.  Yet, I would offer a bias opinion that Wild Horse easily accomplished critical acclaim and high regard with a strong "prairie golf lover" following where AD seems to be struggling in that regard.  I attribute the apparent less enthusiastic embrace by prairie golf seekers to the late copycat entry and proportionality of the initial vision and express goals of the developer by comparison to how Wild Horse came into being via very humble and economical vision of a small communitywhose local citizens were collectively behind the project. 

AD seems to have attempted to follow on in the wake of the splash that the original Sand Hills accomplished, which was followed by BallyNeal, Dismal River I, and then Prairie Club,  Those clubs were the real deal in terms of remote sand hill and prairie destinations on vast acreage, evoking the etherial and unique expanse of the sand hill environment.  they are the get-away from it all ideals that people of means all around the country seek.  You can not get that with AD.  Essentially that big lot wide open spaces of the sand hills model was attempted to be placed on a failed existing local community 9 holer that didn't have anything suggesting remoteness in its make-up.  Like Wild HOrse, the land of AD is but a few miles from the city limits.  AD is just south of what I believe is the 3rd  or 4th largest urban area of Nebraska.  It is a few miles off of I-80.   While you might think that is handy to get travelling golfers to drop in on their way to those other remote destination courses, the initial model wasn't actually a drop-in sort of concept.  The private club impetus with apparent loose openess to the drop-in public golfer during the intial lean prospecting of member period was a round peg in a square hole, IMHO. 

The Engh remodel of the 9 hole Craneview golf club with an additional more rolling terrain north across the road, suggesting a more authentic sand hill land tract caused a bit of schitzophrenia, and the two 9s had a certain disconnect of appearance.  Couple that with the attempt to place a big lot, wide fairway, rolly polly green complex sand hill model, and it just didn't seem to work.  All that probably led to a higher cost to construct, and what needs to be charged to make a profit, along with on-going member prospecting efforts, and it just doesn't seem authentic. 

A more modest design like Wild Horse, with good strategy yet unpretentious presentation could be contrasted with ADs manufactured private exclusive club atmosphere that seems more marketed to second club membership.  I think a local Nebraska golfers market, particularly a concept of appealing to avid locals to be the best public course in the area for the Kearney resident citizens, with affordable green fees, might have been a better formula for success, it just seems to me. 

I still think it could be a great asset for the locals and that general community region, and catalyst to promote even more local public golf participation with a scaled down affordabilty and inviting non-exclusive private club aspiration, if the cost to operate it efficiently can be achieved.  But, that may involve a lot of wasted developer assets to scale it down.

..jJust my very impressionistic opinion. 
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Scott Szabo

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2013, 07:33:50 AM »
I agree with about everything you said RJ.  I'll try and do a small writeup when I get back.  There was a definite disconnect once we crossed over the road to the back nine, which had much more of the typical Engh style.  The 12th was very similar to the 18th at the Harmony Club, with the green hidden from view by a massive dune.  There were definitely some good things done here but overall I was very disappointed.  The people at the Club were wonderful and I certainly wish them all the best in this.
"So your man hit it into a fairway bunker, hit the wrong side of the green, and couldn't hit a hybrid off a sidehill lie to take advantage of his length? We apologize for testing him so thoroughly." - Tom Doak, 6/29/10

Adam Clayman

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2013, 07:59:51 AM »
Awarii is not for everyone. Engh went for the ruggedness and quirk he associates with Irish golf.

I've had nothing but fun playing there.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Jason Hines

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2013, 05:13:40 PM »
Hi Scott,

How was the conditioning?  

Did the bent play firm?

Was the native rough unbearable?

Did they have any beer on tap?

Answer in order of importance... ;D

Jason
« Last Edit: June 15, 2013, 06:28:06 PM by Jason Hines »

Bill Vogeney

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2013, 08:01:04 PM »
A member at my club in Colorado, Colorado Springs CC (which will never made anyone's top 1000 list, much less top 100), owns Awarii. Kent Freudenberg. I have played a bunch of Engh's courses, but not Awarii. If I was going to drive to Nebraska, there are any number of courses I would rather play, based on the feedback I received from some fellow CSCC members who played it. I really like two of Engh's courses, Lakota Canyon and Redlands Mesa out on the western slope of Colorado. They are awesome. I have played Pradera in Parker, outside of Denver. It was okay. Red Hawk Ridge in Castle Rock is very user friendly, huge fairways and a lot of punch bowl style greens. But it lack the over the top features of Engh's other works. Four Mile Ranch in Canon City, Colorado, is the goofiest course you will ever see. I will play it in winter oly, because it sits in Colorado's "banana belt."

Brad Tufts

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2013, 10:37:47 PM »
Not to get too off-topic here, but why is Four Mile Ranch so goofy?

I have played it twice and thought it was great fun, and was more fair even with the whimsical Engh features.

I would call 4MR and Lakota among the Engh hits I have seen, Sanctuary, Pradera and Redlands Mesa somewhere in the middle, and Fossil Trace a miss.

All of Engh's courses have the bold features, but playability suffers at some of them.  It's a fine line.  You can get the bounces and have a great day, and miss the bounces and have a frustrating day.

I hope to check out Awarii someday....it's fun to play the controversial ones.
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Andy Troeger

Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2013, 11:12:21 PM »
4Mile does have some odd holes--it has more blindness than just about anything I've seen. There is a par three where you feel like you hit over a wall of turf and a couple par fives with greens hidden off to the side behind big rock areas. I enjoyed it quite a bit, but it certainly has plenty of quirk!

Brad Tufts

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2013, 11:55:30 PM »
I agree with your assessment of 4MR, I think its totally fun.

The blind par three works because the green is so large, and the tucked greens on the par fives seem to work to me because reaching them in two is very difficult due to angles/carries, but play easy to those laying up to the side.
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Bill Vogeney

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2013, 03:16:24 PM »
Well, the blind par 3 is one of the reasons. Also not a big fan of dead blind wedge shots into a par 5. There are some holes out there I really like. Probably 9 holes I really like, 4 or 5 I tolerate and the rest I loathe...

I forgot about the Sanctuary. 16 good holes and 2 holes that I think Engh's struggled to get in the routing.

Vog

Not to get too off-topic here, but why is Four Mile Ranch so goofy?

I have played it twice and thought it was great fun, and was more fair even with the whimsical Engh features.

I would call 4MR and Lakota among the Engh hits I have seen, Sanctuary, Pradera and Redlands Mesa somewhere in the middle, and Fossil Trace a miss.

All of Engh's courses have the bold features, but playability suffers at some of them.  It's a fine line.  You can get the bounces and have a great day, and miss the bounces and have a frustrating day.

I hope to check out Awarii someday....it's fun to play the controversial ones.

Sam Morrow

Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2013, 03:20:38 PM »
I wanted to like it but it was sadly disappointing. Course was interesting but the conditions were worse than I even I will play. I'm very glad I went to see it but would rather grab an extra round at Wild Horse myself.

Scott Szabo

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2013, 12:41:01 AM »
Hi Scott,

How was the conditioning?  

The course played very slow, especially the green speeds.  Engh had a lot of undulations in the greens, but the speeds prohibited us from using the slopes as I would imagine he had intended.  I don't know if his is normal or not.

Did the bent play firm?

Not in the least.  We played Wild Horse the day before and it played firm throughout.  It was very windy when we played, and even with that played very slow.  I don't know much about different grasses, but I've always seen bent play quite soft.  I was surprised by the choice.

Was the native rough unbearable?

I didn't venture into the native at all, but it looked for the most part to be unplayable.  The bunkers on the front nine especially were overgrown and looked to be difficult to play from, and impossible to maintain. I'd hate to be in charge of maintaining the cousrse.

Did they have any beer on tap?

We loaded up the cooler before heading out.  It didn't take too long before we went through our allotment.

Answer in order of importance... ;D

Jason

"So your man hit it into a fairway bunker, hit the wrong side of the green, and couldn't hit a hybrid off a sidehill lie to take advantage of his length? We apologize for testing him so thoroughly." - Tom Doak, 6/29/10

Scott Szabo

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2013, 12:45:35 AM »
4Mile does have some odd holes--it has more blindness than just about anything I've seen. There is a par three where you feel like you hit over a wall of turf and a couple par fives with greens hidden off to the side behind big rock areas. I enjoyed it quite a bit, but it certainly has plenty of quirk!

Awarii had the same thing going on.  The par four 17th (I believe) had a totally blind second shot. The green couldn't be seen at all.  The par five 12th is the typical Engh par five with the green totally hidden from view behind a dune.  I enjoyed some of this quirk at the Harmony Club but it seems that these types of holes are found at many of his courses.
"So your man hit it into a fairway bunker, hit the wrong side of the green, and couldn't hit a hybrid off a sidehill lie to take advantage of his length? We apologize for testing him so thoroughly." - Tom Doak, 6/29/10

Tony_Chapman

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2013, 08:32:44 PM »
Oh boy. For fear of being exiled from the board, I'm going to chime in here.  ;D

My dad and I played Awarii Dunes today and had a ton of fun. Nobody there. We made it around in three hours and even putted a few extra on the greens. We paid $68 and didn't think I was taken in the least. Can it be better? Sure. Would I rather play Wildhorse? You betcha.

We ran into a family friend out there who is a member. They have just under 100 members. I reckon they'd like to double that amount, but it appears -- and I hope that I'm right -- that they might keep it open for public play which I think is great. The place it 50 miles from my house and I'd go play it once a summer for sure.

As Scott said, it'd be better if it played "faster" both in the greens and in the approaches. But, that doesn't mean I'd avoid the golf course at all costs. But, I'm a bit different that the rest of you guys that are passing through on your way to Sand Hills or Prairie Club or Dismal River. All of you should go to Wild Horse, fiirst. I'm not ever going to SH or PC or DR. I'm gonna have my fun at my 6,000 yard par-70 "home" course in York, and take occasional trips to run around Wild Horse and Awarii Dunes and that's about it. I wish I had the chance to go get away for three or four days and spend $1,000 at all those places but I don't.

So, I'm grateful for what Jim Engh built and for giving me the opportunity to play it today.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2013, 09:00:57 PM »
Oh boy. For fear of being exiled from the board, I'm going to chime in here.  ;D

My dad and I played Awarii Dunes today and had a ton of fun. Nobody there. We made it around in three hours and even putted a few extra on the greens. We paid $68 and didn't think I was taken in the least. Can it be better? Sure. Would I rather play Wildhorse? You betcha.

We ran into a family friend out there who is a member. They have just under 100 members. I reckon they'd like to double that amount, but it appears -- and I hope that I'm right -- that they might keep it open for public play which I think is great. The place it 50 miles from my house and I'd go play it once a summer for sure.

As Scott said, it'd be better if it played "faster" both in the greens and in the approaches. But, that doesn't mean I'd avoid the golf course at all costs. But, I'm a bit different that the rest of you guys that are passing through on your way to Sand Hills or Prairie Club or Dismal River. All of you should go to Wild Horse, fiirst. I'm not ever going to SH or PC or DR. I'm gonna have my fun at my 6,000 yard par-70 "home" course in York, and take occasional trips to run around Wild Horse and Awarii Dunes and that's about it. I wish I had the chance to go get away for three or four days and spend $1,000 at all those places but I don't.

So, I'm grateful for what Jim Engh built and for giving me the opportunity to play it today.

Tony,

I agree 100% except I prefer Awarii over Wild Horse. Congrats on allowing yourself to have fun. Don't fight it!!!

David_Elvins

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Re: Awarii Dunes
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2013, 09:10:01 PM »
The place it 50 miles from my house and I'd go play it once a summer for sure.

I can't think of fainter praise than that. ;)
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