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Mark Saltzman

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Hole 9: Par 3, 207 Yards -- At almost 210 yards, uphill and into the wind, the 9th is a brute of a par-3; but man is it a good hole.  Cherry Hill's website calls the 9th a redan.  Though I don't agree I understand where they're coming from as a running, drawing approach is the ideal play.  Shots that miss short will funnel back down the false-front, while shots missing right will find a deep bunker from which up-and-downs are near impossible.








Match Recap: The harshness of the group's first taste of the birdie booze (my name, not theirs), the group was met with one daunting par-3.  Ron, recalling his previous plays at Cherry Hill, commented that this is the perfect hole to hit a smooth, running driver.  Neither Matt, not I listened, both of us hitting less than driver and missing the green by various degrees to the right.  Ron, hit next, swinging his driver smoothly and the ball was pretty in the air, low and drawing toward the pin.  Unfortunately, the shot was just a few feet short of the green, at least until it slowly trickled back down the false-front to leave a difficult pitch. Kevin joined us right of the green.  After average recoveries the group made bogies, and it was up to me to convert my up-and-down after my bunker shot ended 6 feet from the pin.  Jokes of 'may as well give it to him' ran through my head as the putt was nervously struck and missed.  Match: Canada 3UP.

Mark Saltzman

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Hole 10: Par 4, 410 Yards -- An awkward tee shot played over the crest of a hill to a blind DZ with OB right and bunkers left.




The approach is guarded at 5 o'clock and 7 o'clock by a pair of bunkers.  Shots can be run onto the green though an aerial approach is probably preferred.






Match Recap: Well-struck drives be all, but the ambiguity of the blind tee shot left Matt and Kevin in the left rough and Ron's ball missing.  With Ron's ball lost, Kevin was left to fend for himself, but could do no better than bogie.  Pars by Matt and I left Canada 4UP.

Mark Saltzman

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Hole 11: Par 3, 192 Yards -- A really strong par-3 with a green that looks something like a MacRaynor double plateau.  We were fortunate to have a simple-ish front pin position, as left pins and back pins are extremely difficult.   










Missing long is dead.




Match recap: After the confusion of Ron's lost ball on the 10th, Ron was able to quickly put that behind him and make one of best swings of the day, a long-iron to the green's centre.  While the rest of the group missed the green, an excellent up and in by Matt had team Canada making an unexpected par.  Ron aggressively putted down the hill, hoping to make a 2 and win the hole, but his putt ran by and his next missed low.  Team Canada 5UP.

Mark Saltzman

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Hole 12: Par 5, 550 Yards -- The first of two holes that run along the southern boundary of the golf course.  The driving zone is narrowed by a pair of bunkers on the left, but fortunately Ian has removed the unnecessary bunkers that guarded the right side of the fairway.  A pond runs along the right side of the fairway starting at just over 300 yards from the tee, putting it at a yardage that makes it out-of-play for most.






A pair of bunkers guard the left side of the fairway 90 yards short of the green.  As a result, many will choose to lay-back to the 100 yard marker.






Match Recap: Matt, Ron and I were all within 110 yards for our approaches into the green.  Ron's approach was just steps right of the pin but found a fairway cut run-off.  Matt's approach was to 20 feet, and mine was within 5 feet.  Team USA made 6, meaning my 5 footer needed only a two-putt and Canada would go dormie.  I made it.  Match: Canada 6UP.

Jeff Shelman

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I'm not sure which is more impressive: How cool this course looks? Or how large of a paddling that the Canadians gave the Americans.

Ronald Montesano

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Unless it was a different round, didn't I hit that killer flop over the bunker on #11 and make the putt for par, winning the hole for USA?

For a pretty flat piece of ground, Cherry Hill has a lot of character. Shows what a good man (Ian Andrew) and his team can do for a restoration.

Take a look at the 10th green again from the fairway. You'd never think that the green runs as hard as it does from right to left, but that's the way to Buffalo and runners in need to enter the green center-right or they will trundle off the left side.
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Mike Sweeney

Mark,

Any chance you can post the last stretch?

I played with a member yesterday at Yale and this looks very nice. Thanks
« Last Edit: May 13, 2013, 05:50:22 AM by Mike Sweeney »

Mark Saltzman

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Mike, will do.

Ian Andrew

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The word restoration has been used a few times and I'm not comfortable with that.

Robbie Robinson had re-bunkered the course in the 1960's, so this was a start again from scratch project. I removed something like 35 to 40 bunkers. While we did use hole plans from the clubhouse, I did not have that wonderful aerial. The club went with some historical placement but preferred other newer locations. The final placement and configuration is an amalgamation.

They gave me full licence on the bunker shapes, mounds and steep banks. I had a great crew for that job and not one of them is still in the business! The short grass is more recent and John Gall deserves the credit for saying"it will cost you nothing because I'll do it all in house!"

Nothing beats 18 original Travis greens.
"Appreciate the constructive; ignore the destructive." -- John Douglas

Ronald Montesano

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Ian, any idea what role William Harries and his company played in the construction of the course?
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~Indian Hills
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Ian Andrew

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He built the course.
He built a lot of courses around Buffalo.
"Appreciate the constructive; ignore the destructive." -- John Douglas

Ronald Montesano

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Yeah, but how did CH get those greens? Have you ever seen any other Harries greens? They are less inspired than Jingle Bells...they are wretched creations that impose upon any golfer who navigates a Harries' track from tee to green. Cherry Hill, as you know, has greens that are wondrous oceans of frothy turf. Did Travis tell Harries to stay the hell away from the putting surfaces?
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~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Mark Saltzman

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Hole 13: Par 4, 376 Yards - Number 13 is a deceptively short par 4 which has been the scene of numerous disasters. There are bunkers both left and right off the tee and there is out-of-bounds to the right the entire length of the hole. The green is heavily bunkered, with a narrow opening in the front, a closely mown chipping area to the left and out-of-bounds fairly close to the back of the green. Statistics from the 1972 Canadian Open indicate that number 13 played the most difficult in relation to par of all the holes on the course. Recent renovations to the green have narrowed accessibility, and created a collection area to the left, providing an even greater challenge to the player.








Hole 14: Par 4, 470 Yards - This is a long par 4 with an intimidating bunker complex on the left. The fourteenth is a virtual par 5 for those who dare to tee it up from the Black tee. There is a gully which cuts across the fairway about 50 yards from the green. Although it is not really in play, out-of-bounds runs down the right side. This hole plays as a par 5 for Ladies.








Hole 15: Par 4, 385 Yards - The most outstanding feature of this dogleg left par 4 is a large pond that frames the entire left side of the fairway and cuts in front of the green. The green itself is in two levels, the rear being much higher than the front. With the hole cut in the front of the green, more than one player has putted from the upper level and ended up in the water.






Hole 16: Par 3, 130 Yards - This is an attractive short par 3 to a slightly elevated green. It is handicapped as the easiest hole on the course. There is a larger, high-faced bunker all across the front of the green. Two hidden bunkers, guarding the right and left side of the rear of the green, capture many an errant shot. The green itself presents a problem in that the rear is considerably higher than the front. Successful approach shots must allow for the typical break toward the river.








Hole 17: Par 4, 435 Yards - This is a long dogleg right par 4 with strategically placed mounds and bunkers both left and right. The green also is well-bunkered and slopes sharply from back to front. An approach shot that ends up behind the green can easily cost the player a stroke. Putts from the back of the green are equally problematic. Conversely, putting to a back pin, average players rarely can find it in themselves to get the ball up the slope to the hole.








Hole 18: Par 5, 554 Yards - This is a marvelous finishing hole which presents birdie possibilities, unless one is playing the back tee. The drive from the Black tee must navigate a narrow chute and bunkers to the left, ordinarily a mere flyover, becomes a target to aim for, yet too distant for most to attain. Otherwise, number 18 is a medium length par 5 with the end of the hole running uphill to the Clubhouse. As is the case at the first hole, the prevailing wind is left to right and favoring. There are deep bunkers immediately to the right of the green. Putting from the front of the green toward the rear, the ball breaks to the right - toward the Niagara River. Some of the most severe breaking putts on the entire course can be produced on this green. The seasoned player knows it is best to refrain from conceding putts to opponents, allowing them instead to hole it out as best they can on the infamous eighteenth green at Cherry Hill.








Mike Sweeney

Mark,

Thanks for posting. Tree lined fairly flat courses can often be dismissed, but this really catches my eye and seems like a great place to play your everyday golf. Maybe it is the "18 original Travis greens" as Ian noted. Looks like fun from here.

Ronald Montesano

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A) I still don't know how Travis built the greens if he let Harries build the course. Ian??

B) 17 is a long par 4 thanks to Ian...that back tee did not exist before he came in. He took a driver-wedge hole and made it better by adding yardage and introducing a dogleg right, to contrast with the left-leaning 18th.
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Matt Bosela

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Enjoyed the tour, Mark.  It was an enjoyable day with you, Ron and Kevin.

The question of the hour is - when is the rematch and where?

BTW: my handicap is soaring in the early goings of 2013 so I might need shots.

Ian Andrew

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Ron,

I think Travis personally oversaw the construction of those greens.
No proof, but that's what I believe.

Ian
"Appreciate the constructive; ignore the destructive." -- John Douglas

Ronald Montesano

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Ian...good thing.

Matt...unless you are slicing, you're not getting strokes.
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!