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Jud_T

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2013, 04:38:15 PM »
What if the powers that be didn't dick around with the Old Course?
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SL_Solow

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2013, 05:10:18 PM »
To quote the great Dan Jenkins in the seminal novel Semi-Tough, speaking as Dreamer Tatum,  "What could have happened, did".
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #52 on: April 20, 2013, 02:54:50 AM »
What if Hugh Wilson did not die young?
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #53 on: April 30, 2013, 02:45:54 PM »
What if Flynn/Toomey built Marble Hall as a private course rather than a public?  How much different would it be?  Would they have incorporated the quarry in some way?

Note:  Marble Hall eventually became the private Green Valley.
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Tim Gavrich

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #54 on: April 30, 2013, 05:19:50 PM »
What if Mike Strantz had not contracted and passed away of cancer and were alive today?
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Bruce Katona

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #55 on: May 02, 2013, 02:36:24 PM »
What if Old Tom Morris didn't apprentice with Allan Robertson?

What if Allan Robertson didn't pass away when he did?
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Bradley Anderson

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #56 on: May 02, 2013, 06:17:51 PM »
What if CBM's father had not sent him to college in St. Andrews?
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Don_Mahaffey

Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #57 on: May 02, 2013, 08:23:46 PM »
I think it is interesting to consider what the golf landscape would be today if real estate hadn't driven so much of course design for the last 40 years. It looks like that period has come to an end, but I wonder what we would have today if bottomless pockets hadn't shaped so much of our current design and maintenance concepts. 
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Paul Stephenson

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2013, 12:27:03 PM »
Quote from: Dónal Ó Ceallaigh on April 18, 2013, 03:07:38 PM
What if Mackenzie was slain in the Boer War?

I was thinking along similar lines; Stanley Thompson and the The First World War.
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Mark Pearce

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #59 on: May 03, 2013, 12:54:22 PM »
What if the Stimpmeter hadn't been invented?
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #60 on: May 03, 2013, 02:50:20 PM »
From Tom Paul:

"What if Macdonald (Whigham) had not routed and designed Merion East for Hugh Wilson and committee to merely construct to CBM's routing and design?"  ;)
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Jud_T

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #61 on: May 04, 2013, 08:33:33 AM »
What if the Lido Golf Club hadn't been sold off to developers?  What if Key West Golf Club hadn't been destroyed by a hurricane? What if Lasker's Farm wasn't plowed under for housing?  What if High Pointe were under different ownership?
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Ken Fry

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #62 on: May 04, 2013, 09:44:22 AM »
What if Francis Ouimet didn't win the U.S. Open in 1913?
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Tim Martin

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #63 on: May 04, 2013, 11:06:56 AM »
What if Mac/Raynor were able to build the second course at Yale as proposed? Assuming they did and it was on a level with the first course where would it stack up with the other great 36 hole clubs in the world?
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Tim Martin

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #64 on: May 04, 2013, 11:15:45 AM »
Quote from: Will MacEwen on April 19, 2013, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: Howard Riefs on April 19, 2013, 02:27:55 PM
What if Dick Youngscap never bought land in Nebraska?


Didn't Youngscap offer Sand Hills to Pete Dye as a courtesy, and Dye declined?  That is a pretty good "what if", in many ways.

What would C&C's resume look like now if Dye had accepted Youngscap's offer?
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Mark Hissey

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #65 on: May 04, 2013, 01:25:51 PM »
What if the second 18 had been built on Fisher's Island?
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Jim Tang

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #66 on: May 10, 2013, 05:04:29 PM »
What if Sand Hills had failed as a minimalist destination club?
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Will MacEwen

Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #67 on: May 10, 2013, 06:20:22 PM »
Quote from: Tim Martin on May 04, 2013, 11:15:45 AM
Quote from: Will MacEwen on April 19, 2013, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: Howard Riefs on April 19, 2013, 02:27:55 PM
What if Dick Youngscap never bought land in Nebraska?


Didn't Youngscap offer Sand Hills to Pete Dye as a courtesy, and Dye declined?  That is a pretty good "what if", in many ways.

What would C&C's resume look like now if Dye had accepted Youngscap's offer?


And what would Sand Hills be like, both course and club? 
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Bill Brightly

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #68 on: May 12, 2013, 08:49:13 PM »
Quote from: Mark Hissey on May 04, 2013, 01:25:51 PM
What if the second 18 had been built on Fisher's Island?

Or third... You know Raynor designed three, right?

But this post and Tim Martin's make me ask this question: Did Macdonald, Raynor or Banks ever build more than 18 holes on the same site?

What would they do for par threes on the third fourth nine? Repeat the templates or freelance?
« Last Edit: May 12, 2013, 08:51:24 PM by Bill Brightly »
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Bill Brightly

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #69 on: May 12, 2013, 08:59:19 PM »
Quote from: Bradley Anderson on May 02, 2013, 06:17:51 PM
What if CBM's father had not sent him to college in St. Andrews?

This is my favorite answer so far... Golf courses would still have been built at the same rate in the US, but the working architects of the time would have been FAR less motivated to build truly outstanding courses. They could have been careless and thrown in far more dull holes and no one would have noticed.

Raynor would not have been hired as a land surveyor, and there would have been no one to build in Macdonald's strict style. A style that evolved into sharp angled bunkers, geometric shapes and a clearly engineered look. A style noted by today's minimalists, and THEIR look reflects their reaction.
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Josh Stevens

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #70 on: May 14, 2013, 09:54:59 AM »
What if Mackenzie has stopped in Perth on his way to or from the east coast of Australia?  The city wth best golfing land in the whole continent that his ship would actually have passed by twice but didnt stop
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