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Jason Thurman

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Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« on: April 17, 2013, 10:00:32 PM »
A "What-if?" is a way of getting people thinking about how a single event dramatically changed the course of things. An obvious recent one is "What if Tiger Woods' shot on 15 at The Masters hadn't hit the flagstick?"

So what are the great What-ifs in golf course architecture history, and how might things have worked out differently if they had/hadn't happened?
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2013, 10:02:45 PM »
Quote from: Jason Thurman on April 17, 2013, 10:00:32 PM
A "What-if?" is a way of getting people thinking about how a single event dramatically changed the course of things. An obvious recent one is "What if Tiger Woods' shot on 15 at The Masters hadn't hit the flagstick?"

So what are the great What-ifs in golf course architecture history, and how might things have worked out differently if they had/hadn't happened?

What if Alister Mackenzie hadn't been interested in golf architecture?
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Mark Saltzman

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2013, 10:03:51 PM »
What if Donald Ross designed Augusta National?

What if the first course at Bandon Dunes was poorly received?

What if Pacific Dunes was poorly received?
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Eric Smith

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2013, 10:07:49 PM »
What if the redan was a donut green with quicksand in the middle.
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Mike_Young

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2013, 10:10:27 PM »
What if George Fazio had never been the pro at Pine Valley? ;)

What if Charles Frazier had never built Harbor Town?

What if 419 bermuda grass was never created?

What if GN had been three inches shorter and 45 pounds heavier? ;D
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Joel_Stewart

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2013, 10:27:25 PM »
What if Jack Nicklaus decided to play baseball instead of golf?

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2013, 10:28:10 PM »
What if CBM went to the Sorbonne instead of St. Andrews University.
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Adam Clayman

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2013, 10:30:43 PM »
What if they never changed the 16th hole at Augusta?
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Joe Leenheer

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2013, 10:40:07 PM »
What if courses were only 12 or 16 holes?  How would that change the classic greats that were designed?  Which holes would have not been made?

What if there was no such thing as "environmentally protected areas"?

What if bunkers were never maintained?

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Mark Bourgeois

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2013, 10:45:03 PM »
What if vegetables or grain grew well on linksland?
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Bill Brightly

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2013, 10:45:18 PM »
What if Tillinghast had been given a truly great links site?
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David_Tepper

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2013, 10:51:05 PM »
What if the nines at AGNC had never been reversed?

What if Tom Doak had not gotten a scholarship to tour the golf courses of the British Isles while a student at Cornell?

What if Robert Trent Jones had 2 daughters instead of 2 sons? ;)
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Mike_Young

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2013, 10:52:29 PM »
What if JJ and Rees were born as daughters to RTJ?
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Mike_Young

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2013, 10:53:32 PM »
sorry David..dittoed you.
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David_Tepper

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2013, 10:57:24 PM »
Mike Young -

That's OK, just another sign that great minds think alike! ;)

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Mike_Young

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2013, 10:58:11 PM »
ditto
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Charlie_Bell

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2013, 11:24:52 PM »
Lido hadn't gone belly-up?  Would there be more "Channel" holes?
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David_Tepper

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2013, 11:36:09 PM »
What if Mackenzie's Sharp Park had not been washed away/damaged?
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2013, 12:20:06 AM »
What if there had been no Treaty of Glasgow in 1502?  

What if Melvyn's great grandfather was an interior decorator?  

What if the original rules allowed you to lift clean and place within two club lengths anytime, anywhere?

What if grass only existed as an annual species, could not be cut less than 2", and stunk to high heaven?
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Ross Tuddenham

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2013, 01:22:27 AM »
What if the proV1 was banned around 2001, and ball technology frozen?
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2013, 01:42:20 AM »
Quote from: RJ_Daley on April 18, 2013, 12:20:06 AM

What if Melvyn's great grandfather was an interior decorator?  




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What if the natural cycle of warmer weather periods, had peaked 1000 years ago?
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Connor Dougherty

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2013, 03:24:52 AM »
What if Seth Raynor got to build Cypress Point???? ;D

What if golf clubs in the US had a similar structure to the clubs in Europe/Australia regarding guest play?
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Paul Gray

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2013, 05:26:34 AM »
What if irrigation costs were so prohibitive that they were a non starter?
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Niall C

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2013, 07:39:44 AM »
What if there had been no leaps "forward" in ball and club technology, would we have any of the classic courses we now have ?
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Keith OHalloran

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Re: Great What-ifs in Architecture History
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2013, 08:10:20 AM »
What is the owner of Sebonac chose only one architect?

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