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Steve Okula

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Fairways That Roll Too Much
« on: April 05, 2013, 09:46:44 AM »
The past month in northern Europe we have experienced unseasonably cold weather, in the range of -2° to 8° C, which is about 6-8° C below normal for the time of year. As well, the past several weeks have been dry, with practically no precipitation.

These conditions, while not comfortable for working outdoors, have been ideal for producing firm and fast conditions on the golf course. The irrigation system hasn’t been charged, but in any case with these refrigerator-like temperatures the grass hasn’t needed any water to survive, it’s doing just fine on its own, thank you. It’s barely growing, and a mow twice a week on the greens and once a week on the fairways has been all it needs. The fairways are covered with a healthy stand of turf mowed at 12mm, free of insects, weeds, and diseases.

I thought we were cruising along nicely when the director tells me today that we should consider aerating and topdressing the fairways to soften them up.

I won’t name here the chairman of the French Golf Federation committee that managed to secure the Ryder Cup of 2018 for Golf National near Paris, which was quite a coup against stiff competition and a job well done. He is still largely calling the shots on the organization and preparation for the event. Le monsieur is a scratch amateur, with numerous trophies to his credit, and a bona fide member of French golfing royalty.

He played at our course yesterday and his main criticism was that the fairways, “roll too much”. Being an accomplished player and such a prominent national figure in French golf, his opinion carries a lot of weight, Hence the suggestion by our director that we should alter our maintenance practices to slow down the fairways. It is perhaps more than a humble greenkeeper could successfully argue against. 

I think this concept of course set up does not bode well for Golf National and the Ryder Cup set up, not to mention the French Open played there every July.

And if this site is making any difference in golfers’ values of conditions, nobody told Europe.






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Adam Clayman

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Re: Fairways That Roll Too Much
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2013, 09:52:44 AM »
"Too many notes" comes to mind as a germane quote.

An accomplished player does not a sportsman make. If your club cares at all about core principles (which I inferred they do not) they should listen to this excellent piece of moronic criticism. 

Viva Le' France.
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Fairways That Roll Too Much
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2013, 08:19:22 PM »
Aren't Ryder Cup venues generally overwatered bogs?   Celtic Manor comes to mind......

Jon Wiggett

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Re: Fairways That Roll Too Much
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2013, 03:49:10 AM »
Steve,

would brushing the fairways be an alternative to aeration?

Jon

Adam Lawrence

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Re: Fairways That Roll Too Much
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2013, 04:21:52 AM »
Aren't Ryder Cup venues generally overwatered bogs?   Celtic Manor comes to mind......

Bit harsh. The problem at CM was torrential rain, not excessive irrigation.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Fairways That Roll Too Much
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2013, 07:57:50 AM »

He played at our course yesterday and his main criticism was that the fairways, “roll too much”. Being an accomplished player and such a prominent national figure in French golf, his opinion carries a lot of weight, Hence the suggestion by our director that we should alter our maintenance practices to slow down the fairways. .  




Anyone who complains about virtually any perceived undesireable course condition with the weather you've been experiencing the last month and coming out of winter would not be credible, but to suggest an uneeded disruptive change just as weather and growing conditions are about to turn seems silly, and remarkably wasteful.
Of course as you say the real irony is that your fairways are playing perfectly.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2013, 08:27:18 AM by jeffwarne »
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Fairways That Roll Too Much
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2013, 02:25:42 PM »
This thread reminds me of playing the 'Texas wedge' as a youth. I wonder if anyone plays it much these days. I even remember seeing Pro's play it in competitions and on old episodes of Shells Wonderful World of Golf. I wonder if the current younger generation of player even now where the shot got it's name or is it a shot that's now confined to locker room legend?

All the best

Jason Topp

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Re: Fairways That Roll Too Much
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2013, 11:30:14 PM »
This thread reminds me of playing the 'Texas wedge' as a youth. I wonder if anyone plays it much these days. I even remember seeing Pro's play it in competitions and on old episodes of Shells Wonderful World of Golf. I wonder if the current younger generation of player even now where the shot got it's name or is it a shot that's now confined to locker room legend?

All the best

I think I see it played more now than I did 20 years ago - at least in northern climates.  Tighter fairways make the putter a better option.

jeffwarne

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Re: Fairways That Roll Too Much
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2013, 11:40:10 PM »
This thread reminds me of playing the 'Texas wedge' as a youth. I wonder if anyone plays it much these days. I even remember seeing Pro's play it in competitions and on old episodes of Shells Wonderful World of Golf. I wonder if the current younger generation of player even now where the shot got it's name or is it a shot that's now confined to locker room legend?

All the best



I think I see it played more now than I did 20 years ago - at least in northern climates.  Tighter fairways make the putter a better option.

Fancy, super tight, often soft "chipping areas", have led many to use the Texas wedge,and have ironically reduced the #of chips, and actually reduced sensible options. Why do anything but putt from a "chipping area", hand mowed and stimping faster than a green of 20 years ago?
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Mark Saltzman

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Re: Fairways That Roll Too Much
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2013, 11:47:49 PM »

Fancy, super tight, often soft "chipping areas", have led many to use the Texas wedge,and have ironically reduced the #of chips, and actually reduced sensible options. Why do anything but putt from a "chipping area", hand mowed and stimping faster than a green of 20 years ago?

Jeff,

Great point.

[softball question coming] What would you do with the chipping areas around the greens?  ;) ;D

jeffwarne

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Re: Fairways That Roll Too Much
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2013, 12:00:47 AM »

Fancy, super tight, often soft "chipping areas", have led many to use the Texas wedge,and have ironically reduced the #of chips, and actually reduced sensible options. Why do anything but putt from a "chipping area", hand mowed and stimping faster than a green of 20 years ago?

Jeff,

Great point.

[softball question coming] What would you do with the chipping areas around the greens?  ;) ;D

Courses with the same grass in the rough/fairways have the option to maintain as fairway or rough.
For years, greens were surrounded by rough, and the knock was that they had taken the skill out of pitching and chipping.
I happen to disagree with this in that the better chipper/pitcher will separate himself from the poor wedge player out of rough or fairway, but I was OK with the trend to more short grass initially, Now I feel there has been too much elimination of greenside rough, which,coupled with softer/tight conditions, has led to a lot of off the green putting (boring)

What I'd like to see more of is "chipping areas" maintained at normal fairway height, rather than super tight/short hand mown areas , and maintained firmer made possible by not being on the edge of death heightwise, so that consistent chipping and pitching contact was predictable enough that people would choose that option more often.
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey