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Sandy Smith

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Very lucky
« on: April 03, 2013, 11:53:37 PM »
I don't post often but I thought I should share my great fortune on playing Augusta National this past Saturday.
All of what you've have read is true , it is like going to Disneyland. The course is huge , the fairways are firm and wide. The greens are like nothing I've seen before. It's truly like playing a links course in so many ways.
The history of place jumps out on every hole. Only St Andrews has made me feel the same way. The course looked like it was ready for the Masters at any time. The food , accommodation and service were second to none. The only thing missing was the library lacked a copy of The Confidential Guide.     
Firm greens, firmer fairways.

V. Kmetz

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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2013, 02:03:17 AM »
Sounds incredible...what a treasured experience.

Did you make any noteworthy scores or have any interesting holes?

How as that 14th green to play?  Were there any holes that stood out in detail once you played them?

How about the clubhouse, did you ramble around upstairs, etc?

cheers

vk
"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

Jason Topp

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Re: Very lucky
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2013, 10:16:27 AM »
Congratulations Sandy! 

Michael Wharton-Palmer

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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2013, 10:20:03 AM »
Sandy,
You are lucky man..envy runs through this site today ;D

Jimmy Muratt

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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2013, 10:26:57 AM »
Congratulations on the great opportunity!  How is the course playing right now?  I haven't heard much yet regarding course conditions in anticipation of next week's tournament.  Hopefully, the weather will cooperate and conditions will be firm.

Sandy Smith

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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2013, 10:50:46 AM »
I really think the course is ready for the Masters on most days. Last Saturday it was firm and fast. The fourteenth green is amazing but almost every green at ANGC has its own incredible challenges.
I was lucky to go all through the clubhouse , locker room and even the crows nest. It is very small. We had breakfast , lunch and dinner. All were very delicious. My room in the Tennessee Cabin was beautiful with a wonderful view of the very cool par 3 course which we played after the round on the big course.
To answer a few private questions , a member has to invite you. They are allowed I believe three guests at one time. Starting on the first of April they are only allowed one guest  before the Big Dance. 
Firm greens, firmer fairways.

Bill_McBride

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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2013, 10:53:30 AM »
You are such a dog.

You Canucks get all the luck.


All the best Sandy!

Pete Lavallee

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Re: Very lucky
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2013, 11:04:10 AM »
I suspect Sandy was tapped on the shoulder to be his host's partner, as his right to left ball flight is just what the Good Dr ordered for Augusta!

Sandy,

Were there any shots that demanded a fade?
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Gib_Papazian

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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2013, 12:12:03 PM »
Several months ago, sitting about with a group of know-it-all golf whores, the discussion turned to Augusta. As we were on bottle #3 - a 2006 Heitz Cabernet - some surprisingly frank opinions came rolling out about America's holy grail of impossible access.

It was a small sampling, but four (of 6) of the assemblage had played Augusta numerous times - as well as an average of 16 out of the top 20 on the G.D. list. Everyone had played PV, NGLA, Pebble, Cypress and Shinnecock.

Here is the surprise: None of the four put Augusta - AS A GOLF COURSE - in their top three. This is in line with the other 20 people I know who have played it. There is nothing scientific about this poll (as this Board now seems filled with British mathematicians and statistics majors), but over the years, I make a mental note to ask everyone who has played the course where they put it in their personal list of favorites.

In the interest of full disclosure, I also know four or five corporate types who have played Augusta, but discount their breathless hyperbole primarily because not one of them knows a Redan from a ball washer - and cannot separate the experience from a cold analysis of the golf course.

Here is what I've been told - aside from the prattle of starstruck plebeians: Not a single well traveled golfer whose opinion I respect - meaning the ability to articulate specifics - has ever told me that Augusta is their favorite golf course. Not one.

It almost always makes the top five, but I've never had anyone tell me Augusta is better than PV. Oddly, I've also never had anybody assert to me that Augusta is a better designed golf course than NGLA.

I'm wondering how the peanut gallery feels about this. Is the primary allure of playing Augusta bragging a crack at the back nine and a big-ass notch on your golfing bedpost?

For our little gathering above, en vino veritas.            
    
« Last Edit: April 04, 2013, 12:14:55 PM by Gib Papazian »

Mark Pearce

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Re: Very lucky
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2013, 12:17:44 PM »
Gib,

How was to '06 Heitz?
In July I will be riding two stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity, including Mont Ventoux for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Greg Tallman

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Re: Very lucky
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2013, 12:19:38 PM »
Congratulations Sandy! 

Doesn't match the extraordinary opportunity you will experience today Mr. Topp.

jeffwarne

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Re: Very lucky
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2013, 12:21:54 PM »
Several months ago, sitting about with a group of know-it-all golf whores, the discussion turned to Augusta. As we were on bottle #3, a 2006 Heitz Cabernet, some surprisingly frank opinions came rolling out about America's holy grail of impossible access.

It was a small sampling, but four (of 6) of the assemblage had played Augusta numerous times - as well as an average of 16 out of the top 20 on the G.D. list. Everyone had played PV, NGLA, Pebble, Cypress and Shinnecock.

Here is the surprise: None of the four put Augusta - AS A GOLF COURSE - in their top three. This is in line with the other 20 people I know who have played it. There is nothing scientific about this poll (as this Board now seems filled with British mathematicians and statistics majors), but over the years, I make a mental note to ask everyone who has played the course where they put it in their personal list of favorites.

In the interest of full disclosure, I also know four or five corporate types who have played Augusta, but discount their breathless hyperbole because not one of them knows a Redan from a ball washer - and cannot separate the experience from a cold analysis of the golf course.

Here is what I've been told - aside from the prattle of starstruck plebeians: Not a single well traveled golfer whose opinion I respect - meaning the ability to articulate specifics - has ever told me that Augusta is their favorite golf course. Not one.

It almost always makes the top five, but I've never had anyone tell me Augusta is better than PV. Oddly, I've also never had anybody assert to me that Augusta is a better designed golf course than NGLA.

I'm wondering how the peanut gallery feels about this. Is the primary allure of playing Augusta bragging a crack at the back nine and a big-ass notch on your golfing bedpost?

For our little gathering above, en vino veritas.            
    

Well here you go.
Augusta is better than Pine Valley.
I'm pretty well traveled, I guess it just comes down to whether or not you respect my opinion. ;) ;)

I would argue that those who prefer Pine Valley are LESS sophisticated about design, subtlety, variety, and strategy.
Augusta can be enjoyed equally well by a professional and a 28 handicapper. No way the 28 finishes many holes at PV
and believe me, I'm not confusing the experience with the course as most of my experiences have been of the back door variety (literally) and not the kind Sandy so eloquently (and enviously) described.

NGLA?, that's a tougher one....

Congratulations Sandy,
You got lucky with the weather as I was there(Augusta the town, not ANGC) for a week and left the day before you played .It was beautiful and 65 as we drove to the airport Friday afternoon-didn't sniff that though the rest of the week,windy with highs in the upper 40's and low 50's and 20's at night. Cold for march in Augusta.
Continued on the family tradition as my son and I played Augusta CC Wednesday and I showed him the "access" points to ANGC, otherwise known as holes in the fence near Rae's Creek. Just goes to show that "Sheehy" character isn't the only one with "access"
« Last Edit: April 04, 2013, 01:01:49 PM by jeffwarne »
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

jeffwarne

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Re: Very lucky
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2013, 12:35:21 PM »
Jeff: Sheehy told me he does NOT have access - it was an April fool's joke!

You'll get there someday.

meanwhile, I can draw you a map to the hole...
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Mark McKeever

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Re: Very lucky
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2013, 01:00:45 PM »
Nice bottle Gib!  I love that stuff!   ;D

Mark
Best MGA showers - Bayonne

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Matthew Petersen

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Re: Very lucky
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2013, 01:05:21 PM »
Several months ago, sitting about with a group of know-it-all golf whores, the discussion turned to Augusta. As we were on bottle #3 - a 2006 Heitz Cabernet - some surprisingly frank opinions came rolling out about America's holy grail of impossible access.

It was a small sampling, but four (of 6) of the assemblage had played Augusta numerous times - as well as an average of 16 out of the top 20 on the G.D. list. Everyone had played PV, NGLA, Pebble, Cypress and Shinnecock.

Here is the surprise: None of the four put Augusta - AS A GOLF COURSE - in their top three. This is in line with the other 20 people I know who have played it. There is nothing scientific about this poll (as this Board now seems filled with British mathematicians and statistics majors), but over the years, I make a mental note to ask everyone who has played the course where they put it in their personal list of favorites.

In the interest of full disclosure, I also know four or five corporate types who have played Augusta, but discount their breathless hyperbole primarily because not one of them knows a Redan from a ball washer - and cannot separate the experience from a cold analysis of the golf course.

Here is what I've been told - aside from the prattle of starstruck plebeians: Not a single well traveled golfer whose opinion I respect - meaning the ability to articulate specifics - has ever told me that Augusta is their favorite golf course. Not one.

It almost always makes the top five, but I've never had anyone tell me Augusta is better than PV. Oddly, I've also never had anybody assert to me that Augusta is a better designed golf course than NGLA.

I'm wondering how the peanut gallery feels about this. Is the primary allure of playing Augusta bragging a crack at the back nine and a big-ass notch on your golfing bedpost?

For our little gathering above, en vino veritas.            
    

So it's virtually always in the top 5 even among people who have played the best of the best, but the primary allure is just belt notching?

Obviously there's way more mystique surrounding an invitation to the National than any other course, but even your unscientific survey backs up that the course itself belongs in any discussion of the greats.

Gib_Papazian

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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2013, 01:06:43 PM »
Jeff,

I am not discounting your opinion - just the opposite. Augusta is such a unique golf course in terms of philosophy and content it has always shocked me that not one of my extended coterie placed it atop the Pantheon.

It has also always struck me as odd that nobody ever seems to put Shinnecock as their personal #1 either. It seems the most perfectly objective test I've ever seen and thus would appeal to excellent players.    

Gib_Papazian

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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2013, 01:14:07 PM »
Mathew,

I am not suggesting Augusta is not "great."

Only an idiot would make that assertion.

It is splitting hairs to be sure, but NGLA - to me - stands alone.

Generally, if pressed, well traveled players can name one course that strikes them as no other.

jeffwarne

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Re: Very lucky
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2013, 01:17:18 PM »
Jeff,

I am not discounting your opinion - just the opposite. Augusta is such a unique golf course in terms of philosophy and content it has always shocked me that not one of my extended coterie placed it atop the Pantheon.

It has also always struck me as odd that nobody ever seems to put Shinnecock as their personal #1 either. It seems the most perfectly objective test I've ever seen and thus would appeal to excellent players.    

Gib,
I know many low handicappers and pros who rate Shinny #1.
I happen to prefer NGLA over Shinny.
I'm hopelessy bad at ranking  courses and have about 20 top 5's ;D, and still couldn't tell you my favorite, well I could but it's not in my Top 5 ;D ;D
For a long time my favorite was Royal County Down, but the more i traveled and saw great remote, raw courses, That were an absolute blast to play, the more I found it hard to have a "Favorite" one. (probably a good thing I married early ;))

Gib, just saw the last line of your last post-contrasts nicely with mine ;D ;)
« Last Edit: April 04, 2013, 01:19:39 PM by jeffwarne »
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

JMEvensky

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Re: Very lucky
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2013, 01:19:04 PM »


I'm wondering how the peanut gallery feels about this. Is the primary allure of playing Augusta bragging a crack at the back nine and a big-ass notch on your golfing bedpost?

            
    


For the overwhelming majority,yes.

I think your friends were engaging in reverse snobbery--"Of course I've played ANGC,but it really wasn't that great".Kind of like "I slept with Catherine Deneuve,but I've had better".

Wayne Wiggins, Jr.

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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2013, 02:50:26 PM »
A friend has played all of these top 5-10 courses multiple times.  He ranks the top 5 courses as PV, NGLA, CPC, Shinny, ANGC.  He's also immune, at this point, to the mytsique surrounding the experiences and ranks them PV, NGLA, ANGC, CPC.

I on the other hand, am still in search of bed-post-notching at said courses.


Several months ago, sitting about with a group of know-it-all golf whores, the discussion turned to Augusta. As we were on bottle #3 - a 2006 Heitz Cabernet - some surprisingly frank opinions came rolling out about America's holy grail of impossible access.

It was a small sampling, but four (of 6) of the assemblage had played Augusta numerous times - as well as an average of 16 out of the top 20 on the G.D. list. Everyone had played PV, NGLA, Pebble, Cypress and Shinnecock.

Here is the surprise: None of the four put Augusta - AS A GOLF COURSE - in their top three. This is in line with the other 20 people I know who have played it. There is nothing scientific about this poll (as this Board now seems filled with British mathematicians and statistics majors), but over the years, I make a mental note to ask everyone who has played the course where they put it in their personal list of favorites.

In the interest of full disclosure, I also know four or five corporate types who have played Augusta, but discount their breathless hyperbole primarily because not one of them knows a Redan from a ball washer - and cannot separate the experience from a cold analysis of the golf course.

Here is what I've been told - aside from the prattle of starstruck plebeians: Not a single well traveled golfer whose opinion I respect - meaning the ability to articulate specifics - has ever told me that Augusta is their favorite golf course. Not one.

It almost always makes the top five, but I've never had anyone tell me Augusta is better than PV. Oddly, I've also never had anybody assert to me that Augusta is a better designed golf course than NGLA.

I'm wondering how the peanut gallery feels about this. Is the primary allure of playing Augusta bragging a crack at the back nine and a big-ass notch on your golfing bedpost?

For our little gathering above, en vino veritas.            
    

Gib_Papazian

Re: Very lucky
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2013, 11:52:12 AM »
Well here we go, I would not put Catherine Deneuve atop my list either - but certainly Top 5:

#1. Ingrid Bergman
#2. Nicole Kidman
#3. Kate Hepburn
#4. Catherine Deneuve
#5. Keira Knightley

I'm not sure where to put Amy Adams or Julianne Moore (1a and 1b?) - but being married to Her Redness, it is best not to go down that particular road. Natalie Wood and Grace Kelly are also Top 5 (yes, I am having trouble with the count)  - but I'm pretty sure about #1. 

I guess I'm mixing my Classic and Modern list - but I'm not with GW.

Mark Bourgeois

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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2013, 12:04:47 PM »
Peak Ingrid Bergman was pretty good but no #1. The real problem is that Career Ingrid Bergman overwhelms Peak: Golda Meir keeps crowding out Alicia Huberman. No man should have to witness that struggle.

Katherine Hepburn had it totally going on across her entire career arc and so did Grace Kelly (car crashes do that  :'( ). Keira Knightley, great for one movie but no consistency; somehow the glow came off. Julianne Moore I always mix up with Diane Lane; not a bad thing necessarily but an automatic boot from top 5. Nicole Kidman I can support somewhere in there although personally I probably wouldn't have come up with her name were I doing this exercise tabula rasa.

As for Catherine Deneuve: she is in a class all by herself. Stop lumping her into rankings, it's killing your credibility.
Charlotte. Daniel. Olivia. Josephine. Ana. Dylan. Madeleine. Catherine. Chase. Jesse. James. Grace. Emilie. Jack. Noah. Caroline. Jessica. Benjamin. Avielle. Allison.

JMEvensky

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« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2013, 12:36:20 PM »


As for Catherine Deneuve: she is in a class all by herself. Stop lumping her into rankings, it's killing your credibility.



Since I brought CD into the conversation,the only classmate she's got is Greta Garbo.

Peter Pallotta

Re: Very lucky
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2013, 01:01:08 PM »
Good choices, but how does Rosalind Russell not get on that list?! And what about Myrna Loy? (Just for the opening in The Thin Man - "I'll have five martinis, please"). Not to mention Rita Hayworth, and also Maureen O'Hara (even just for The Quiet Man alone). Yes, my goodness Grace Kelly was remarkably lovely.  And for a little quirk (that i don't think is quirk at all) Charlotte Rampling is right there - I mean, a little younger (in Stardust Memories) and then a little older (in The Verdict) -- wow!

Peter

David Ober

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Re: Very lucky
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2013, 01:12:00 PM »
I know that the focus of this site is architecture, but: Good lord, man, what did you shoot?!

I've always heard that Augusta plays pretty close to one's handicap.

So ... what is your index? What did it convert to at Augusta on the tees you played? And what did you SHOOT???

 ;D