GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump

[jeffwarne]

Let's say the USGA proposed a rollback based on a vote of GCAers.
All sticky technical and legal issues solved.
As we know, there are many obstacles-save those for the other thread.

Two rollback options:
1. 10% across the board or
2. 5% rollback for clubhead speeds under 50 mph, 6% for 75mph, 7% for 90mph, 8% for 100mph, 9% for 110 mph, 10% for 120mph and above.
Know that this formula can and will be tweaked and will be perfect -noone will lose more than they gained from premium balls

Two "no rollback" options
1.no rollback
2. no rollback, tournament ball (Thanks Dave McCollum)

The USGA has agreed to give Titleist 10 million a year for 5 years to settle, so they're on board.
All balls will be effected, regardless of spin, and all current manufacturers have agreed not to create illegal balls.
No ball manufacturer will be allowed to use the claim of longest, all other marketing will be OK.

Vote rollback or no rollback.
If vote rollback, pick option 1 or 2
If you vote rollback, you can add a tournament ball

Even if you do not agree with the formula for option 2, it is out of respect for the greater gains made by higher speed players in the ProV 1 era, that formula can be tweaked, no need to comment.

I will bump periodically and tally .

Again, vote "rollback"(Option 1 or 2)) or  "no rollback"  or no rollback t ;Dunamint ball


Thanks

I'll start;

rollback
option 2

[Tom ORourke]

rollback
option 2

[Jeff Fortson]

Rollback
Option 2

The only reason I chose Option 2 is because the ball currently goes exponentially farther for the higher swing speed.

Jeff F.

[Stephen Davis]

I agree with option 2.

[Garland Bayley]

2

[Doug Siebert]

2 - though if there was a way to make it not rolled back at all for the people under 75 mph I'd choose that.  Unless those guys/gals gained yards with the new ball (and I doubt they did) why should they have to pay the price for those of us who did benefit?

[Alex Miller]

No rollback.

[Dave McCollum]

No rollback.  Tournament ball for the highest levels.

[Mickey Boland]

No rollback.

[Will Lozier]

Rollback I

[Keith Buntrock]

No rollback

[Sam Morrow]

No rollback, keep playing what we're playing.

[Cristian]

2

[Mark Pearce]

Rollback Option 2

[David Davis]

Jeff,

Before I vote, what's your club head speed? I'd also like to know the date of the roll back in either case as well as the date of our next grudge match as well as the weather conditions. I'm also thinking of stocking up on unmarked ProV1 closeouts, enough to last me the next 20 years. So unless you are still swinging at 120 mph without two pints of beer for breakfast I'm going with Option 1, all things mentioned above considered.

[Cory Lewis]

Rollback Option 2.  Great idea. 

[jeffwarne]

Jeff,

Before I vote, what's your club head speed? I'd also like to know the date of the roll back in either case as well as the date of our next grudge match as well as the weather conditions. I'm also thinking of stocking up on unmarked ProV1 closeouts, enough to last me the next 20 years. So unless you are still swinging at 120 mph without two pints of beer for breakfast I'm going with Option 1, all things mentioned above considered.

Dave Mc Collum brings up a good point. You can vote for no rollback, but a tournament ball if you'd like.Will add to original post.

David Davis,
I've never swung a club 120 mph. 110 is the fastest I've ever been (wood 43 1/2 inch driver-but then who knows how accurate speed measuring devices were then or even now compared to then)
I'm currently around 103, max of 107.(otherwise known as going Goat)
We're not talking about banning performance enhancing Guinness-(remember it is good for you)--that would eliminate many from the game
just hot balls.
You should be thrilled about our match, and know that if I take your balls ...(golf).. away, you can always press you seemed to adapt quite well to that..
I'm putting you down for Option 1.

[Tony_Muldoon]

Like Dave I would like to see a tournament ball.


I see squash as providing the right  precedent, and that all ‘serious’ golfers will voluntarily choose to enter tournaments and pracitce with the ‘rollback’ ball in play.


As hitting it further has been a desired skill in the game from the beginning I would like to see the roll back being a flat %’age across the board.

[jeffwarne]

Tony,
What's your actual vote?

Any rollback proposed here would magically restore pre ProV 1 yardages so disproportionate takeaways from higher speed hitters would merely returm their gains to where they were say 1990. Theoretically impossible and difficult, but that's our assumption.

[Jim Sherma]

I would like to see the Titleist Professional used for the reference ball specs. I always thought that it was a great combination of performance with reasonable to good durability.

Combined with this I would like to see the old "no spring effect" rule returned to (maybe 2nd generation Taylor Made Tour Burner COR type levels). That combination would return the game to early/mid 1990's type specs and, in my opinion, return the trade offs between swing-speed and control that really differentiated shot making back then.

I did not specify a vote when I first posted this - I guess I am with rollback 1.

[Tony_Muldoon]

Tony,
What's your actual vote?

Any rollback proposed here would magically restore pre ProV 1 yardages so disproportionate takeaways from higher speed hitters would merely returm their gains to where they were say 1990. Theoretically impossible and difficult, but that's our assumption.

Jeff

To count my vote

No (general) rollback, tournament ball.                     

 (With if possible a flat rate of “rollback”.  Unfortunately the efforts to legislate this are always going to suffer from  manufacturers  working with those they perceive to be the 'best' or and most marketable and therefore most likely to deliver them wins. They develop  their I&B specifically for those players, normally those with the highest swing speeds.  The fact they already do this in effect means we already have bifurcation.)


I think that fits your criteria.
 

[Michael Wharton-Palmer]

Rollback 1

[David Davis]

No, I like Dave's idea of the tournament ball better too. I'm not good enough to take away the hot balls and idiot proof AP2's, Vokeys and I20's and remain a single digit hcp'er. Although if I didn't hit it as far logic would serve that my accuracy and fairways hit % would improve thus most likely I would lower my hcp. Na, what fun would that be...

I'm all for hotter balls that go further for amateurs. Especially on links courses when fighting against a windforce 9 headwind and rain. I also like the pre match beer ban ;-)

[Pete Lavallee]

Rollback 2

[Rich Goodale]

Rollback 2

#2 (aka "Bifurcation, Baby!")