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Jud_T

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Re: Your Top Ten Courses not on any Top (or Next) 100 List
« Reply #50 on: April 01, 2013, 11:31:59 AM »
Guess Askernish jumps quickly to mind based on this list....
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Sven Nilsen

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Re: Your Top Ten Courses not on any Top (or Next) 100 List
« Reply #51 on: April 01, 2013, 11:34:12 AM »
A few courses that I haven't seen discussed as of yet:

Merion West
Angel's Crossing
North Shore (IL)
Haig Point
Bayside (NE)
Vista Verde
"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Frank Sekulic

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Re: Your Top Ten Courses not on any Top (or Next) 100 List
« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2013, 11:43:39 AM »
A few courses I think should make the list:

The Bridges in Rancho Santa Fe

Maderas Golf Club in Poway Ca.

The Knoll (west) NJ

Bethpage (red)

Morris County Country Club (NJ)


Jim Hoak

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Re: Your Top Ten Courses not on any Top (or Next) 100 List
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2013, 11:49:31 AM »
Wakonda Club in Des Moines, IA.  US Am in 1963 (?)--Dean Beaman the winner.  Champions Tour event in Des Moines moving there this year.

Adam Messix--What is the mystery course in Texas that you referenced, but didn't name?

Paul Jones

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Re: Your Top Ten Courses not on any Top (or Next) 100 List
« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2013, 11:51:17 AM »
Wolf Point - One of my all time favorites

Oakbourne CC - Dick Wilson, 1955.  It is my home course so I am being a homer, but I love playing it

Victoria CC - The biggest surprise on my Australia Trip.  Great opening hole and it kept getting better

Diablo CC - Outside of San Francisco, great old course

Chestatee GC - 1st club I joined and really enjoyed it when it was 1st built, now there are houses everywhere and will probably not like it as much

Brook Hollow - Best course in Dallas

Sheep Ranch - 2nd most fun ever playing golf
Paul Jones
pauljones@live.com

Jud_T

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Re: Your Top Ten Courses not on any Top (or Next) 100 List
« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2013, 11:58:41 AM »
Island GC
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Your Top Ten Courses not on any Top (or Next) 100 List
« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2013, 12:02:05 PM »
5. Cougar Canyon, CO -- apparently I think Colorado courses are underrated. A fairly inexpensive public course in Trinidad, CO that has some really good strategic holes and lots of ground-game interest. Better than most of Nicklaus design's more high profile courses.

Many saw this routing at the Land of Enchantment Black Mesa New Mexico GCA outing.
It was Baxter Spann's routing of his next project - which changed hands afterwards.
I believe that was the routing that was used to build the course.
Maybe that is why it was better.
Cheers
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Andy Troeger

Re: Your Top Ten Courses not on any Top (or Next) 100 List
« Reply #57 on: April 01, 2013, 01:04:48 PM »
Sven,
I think all the ones you starred were on the 101-200 section of the new Golf Digest list.

Sven Nilsen

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Re: Your Top Ten Courses not on any Top (or Next) 100 List
« Reply #58 on: April 01, 2013, 01:15:59 PM »
Sven,
I think all the ones you starred were on the 101-200 section of the new Golf Digest list.

Makes sense.  Probably the one list I didn't double check.

Appreciate you putting the work into compiling the list.  Gets you pretty close to an Unofficial World Top 500 (and the belt-notchers out there have a new target to work off of).

I may add in a few more European and Australian courses, as I think both locations are under represented right now.

Sven
"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Adam_Messix

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Re: Your Top Ten Courses not on any Top (or Next) 100 List
« Reply #59 on: April 01, 2013, 01:52:38 PM »
Jim Hoak--

Since it's been mentioned a few times here after my original post, the mystery course in Texas is Wolf Point. 

Andy Troeger

Re: Your Top Ten Courses not on any Top (or Next) 100 List
« Reply #60 on: April 01, 2013, 02:51:03 PM »
Sven,
You're welcome. Admittedly I already had the list and just sorted it into a more friendly format. It is interesting how many courses make the various lists, although I guess with 400 from GolfWeek that already leads to a big number. We complain about divergence between the top 100 lists, but if you look at the 2nd 100 from Digest and all the courses on the GD state lists that have high scores but not enough ballots, it becomes pretty clear that there is even less consensus the farther down the lists you go!

There are exactly 150 courses that make one of the major "top USA 100 lists" (merging GolfWeek by using the scores, like it or not). That includes Links. I would guess if every publication listed exactly 200 courses that you've have far more than 300 different courses listed. Given there are a finite number of golf courses, at some point the lists would have to converge, but I've no clue how far down you'd have to go to figure it out.