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Dan Grossman

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2013, 01:55:19 PM »
Two notes about Eastmoreland....the 10th tee is similar in vein to the openers at Riviera and Merion....right in front of the clubhouse/gathering area.  If alone, good luck finding the 14th tee after 13 green if you hadn't already gotten an idea of the layout of the course ahead of time.

I had forgotten about the #13 to #14 transition.  We wandered around for quite a while before figuring it out. 

Mike Erdmann

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2013, 07:17:16 PM »
As others have noted, Waverley is clearly the top choice, but it's a pretty good falloff to whatever your #2 ends up being.  After Waverley, I'd order the 'architectural interest' at Columbia Edgewater, Portland GC, Oswego Lake, Eastmoreland, Royal Oaks and then Riverside.

Scott Stambaugh

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2013, 08:59:25 PM »
From your list, in my opinion, Waverley and CECC are about it to visit, architecturally. The restoration of Waverley puts all other classics a distant second in terms of re-capturing an old-school look and playability. It's the best the Pacific Northwest has to offer. CECC is a great too, but the trees are swallowing up the architecture there.  Which is unfortunate, because it is a superb golf course.  I guarantee you will find both of these courses in marvelous condition.

One other course (as mentioned earlier) that is known for its great conditioning is Royal Oaks, but I've never been able to find anything there interesting, architecturally. Conditioning- absolutely. For those of you who mentioned Royal Oaks as an architectural must see, what am I missing?

Scott

Adam Clayman

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2013, 10:20:23 PM »
Tom, The transition at Eastmoreland's 14th is a must see if you are going ahead with some of those urban projects. I loved it. Walking down a residential street, only to be treated with a cityscape for you tee shot on 14.
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Tom_Doak

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2013, 09:46:37 AM »
From your list, in my opinion, Waverley and CECC are about it to visit, architecturally. The restoration of Waverley puts all other classics a distant second in terms of re-capturing an old-school look and playability. It's the best the Pacific Northwest has to offer. CECC is a great too, but the trees are swallowing up the architecture there. 

I must say I'm a bit bothered by the general consensus that I will only enjoy Waverley because it's the only course that has been restored.  If some of the others have a really interesting set of greens, wouldn't I find those interesting, trees or no trees?

Wayne Wiggins, Jr.

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2013, 01:46:33 PM »
not to threadjack, bit did Waverly chop down a lot of trees during the redo?  And do you think their success will prompt the other local clubs (i.e. CECC, Portland GC) to look at a renovation/restoration?  Is there a "keeping up with the Joneses" situation among clubs?

Pete_Pittock

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2013, 04:24:53 PM »
From your list, in my opinion, Waverley and CECC are about it to visit, architecturally. The restoration of Waverley puts all other classics a distant second in terms of re-capturing an old-school look and playability. It's the best the Pacific Northwest has to offer. CECC is a great too, but the trees are swallowing up the architecture there. 

I must say I'm a bit bothered by the general consensus that I will only enjoy Waverley because it's the only course that has been restored.  If some of the others have a really interesting set of greens, wouldn't I find those interesting, trees or no trees?
What I was trying to say is the restoration at Waverley has placed it above the others. Before one would be hard to get a consensus of the best course in Portland. I would say that Waverley and PGC have the best set of greens, probably because of their terrains, Royal Oaks and Riverside next, and CECC lagging despite a very good set on the inside loop. Portland is tree-hugger heaven, someone protested aboutr one sequoia being cut down and TV stations had over the top coverage. CECC has dozens of them.

Scott Stambaugh

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2013, 06:38:00 PM »
I must say I'm a bit bothered by the general consensus that I will only enjoy Waverley because it's the only course that has been restored.  If some of the others have a really interesting set of greens, wouldn't I find those interesting, trees or no trees?
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Absolutely, but you said you would have time to visit 1-2 courses while you were in Portland, presumably a Confidential Guide visit?  I guess I assumed you were looking for a little more than just a course with a good set of greens.  If that's the criteria, then I have to say that Waverley is still tops on the list (restored or not) and CECC is next. 

I would also add Oswego Lake to your list.  It certainly doesn't resemble any of the photos in George Thomas' book, but as it is now, it has an interesting routing on a semi-hilly property, and a set of interesting greens.  Last time I was there, they were doing some bunker work, but not sure if their was any restoration aspect to it.

not to threadjack, bit did Waverly chop down a lot of trees during the redo?  And do you think their success will prompt the other local clubs (i.e. CECC, Portland GC) to look at a renovation/restoration?  Is there a "keeping up with the Joneses" situation among clubs?

I don't think it's as much of how many trees they took down (the number is actually far less than some club's removals discussed on here,) but the fact that they focused on clearing out some of the sequoia-bowling-alley-corridors and a lot of the other junk trees and uncovered some of the cool groves that exist there, allowing to add back the fairway width/random assortment of fairway bunkering, all while enjoying some great views out to the river now.

It's good stuff there, Tom.  If this project was completed back East, we'd be talking about it A LOT more on here...

 

Dan Herrmann

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2013, 07:46:27 AM »
I lived in PDX from 85-93, and really enjoyed the golf.

To me, Waverly is tops - by far.

I also think Eastmoreland deserves a visit.  It held the USGA Publinx in the early 1990's, and has a lot of history.  It may be he best municipal (city owned) golf course I've ever played.    It's certainly not perfect, but it can be a lot of fun, and may well be worth study.


Garland Bayley

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2013, 12:35:45 PM »
I lived in PDX from 85-93, and really enjoyed the golf.

To me, Waverly is tops - by far.

I also think Eastmoreland deserves a visit.  It held the USGA Publinx in the early 1990's, and has a lot of history.  It may be he best municipal (city owned) golf course I've ever played.    It's certainly not perfect, but it can be a lot of fun, and may well be worth study.



It held the tournament in 1933, and in 1990.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Sean Leary

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2013, 02:21:55 PM »
I lived in PDX from 85-93, and really enjoyed the golf.

To me, Waverly is tops - by far.

I also think Eastmoreland deserves a visit.  It held the USGA Publinx in the early 1990's, and has a lot of history.  It may be he best municipal (city owned) golf course I've ever played.    It's certainly not perfect, but it can be a lot of fun, and may well be worth study.



It held the tournament in 1933, and in 1990.


Did you play in it back in '33?

Garland Bayley

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2013, 02:22:56 PM »
I lived in PDX from 85-93, and really enjoyed the golf.

To me, Waverly is tops - by far.

I also think Eastmoreland deserves a visit.  It held the USGA Publinx in the early 1990's, and has a lot of history.  It may be he best municipal (city owned) golf course I've ever played.    It's certainly not perfect, but it can be a lot of fun, and may well be worth study.



It held the tournament in 1933, and in 1990.


Did you play in it back in '33?

No but Mucci gave me a blow by blow.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Bill_McBride

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2013, 02:23:26 PM »
I lived in PDX from 85-93, and really enjoyed the golf.

To me, Waverly is tops - by far.

I also think Eastmoreland deserves a visit.  It held the USGA Publinx in the early 1990's, and has a lot of history.  It may be he best municipal (city owned) golf course I've ever played.    It's certainly not perfect, but it can be a lot of fun, and may well be worth study.



It held the tournament in 1933, and in 1990.


Did you play in it back in '33?

Budda bing, budda boom!

Norbert P

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2013, 12:50:36 PM »
  On the public side, Heron Lakes in North Portland (just a few miles from Col. Edge.) has two, yes two! golf courses. Two for the price of one! Greenback and Great Blue - both of RTJ Jr. design. Built on flood plain with sloughs and power lines and lakes, oh my!.  
  I think Great Blue rates just below the Riverdale Dunes (Dye and a certain journeyman designer) course outside Denver.  Bring your Wellies.

  BTW . . .  Garland hates it.

  Eastmoreland may get my sympathetic vote for historical significance but the repetitively dull greens are repetitively dull.
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Garland Bayley

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2013, 02:13:23 PM »
 On the public side, Heron Lakes in North Portland (just a few miles from Col. Edge.) has two, yes two! golf courses. Two for the price of one! Greenback and Great Blue - both of RTJ Jr. design. Built on flood plain with sloughs and power lines and lakes, oh my!.  
  I think Great Blue rates just below the Riverdale Dunes (Dye and a certain journeyman designer) course outside Denver.  Bring your Wellies.

  BTW . . .  Garland hates it.

  Eastmoreland may get my sympathetic vote for historical significance but the repetitively dull greens are repetitively dull.

Great Blue has most all the ponds in play at the end of your shot. Greenback tends to have them near the source of your shot or out of play. Although it does have a couple of holes with water in play for the end of your shot. I prefer Greenback.

Redtail is another muni. I was in the pro shop one day looking for bargains and overheard the pro telling a customer that their course was better than the ones at Bandon. According to him, the only reason people say they like Bandon is because they have to justify how much they pay to play there.

As I said above, of all the munis in Portland, I prefer Rose City even though I broke a leg there. If they would get rid of the stupid artificial pond on 5 and shape some interesting recovery shot locations it would be even better.

"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Emile Bonfiglio

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2013, 04:40:19 PM »

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Redtail is another muni. I was in the pro shop one day looking for bargains and overheard the pro telling a customer that their course was better than the ones at Bandon. According to him, the only reason people say they like Bandon is because they have to justify how much they pay to play there.
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Yes, because when I want to putt through Goose crap and play to ridiculously place flags on greens that are beat to hell, I'd rather pay more and do it at Bandon...CRAZY!
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Stephen Davis

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #41 on: March 22, 2013, 06:25:39 PM »
Haha! Redtail! That course is on my list of terrible, and it takes a lot to get on that list btw!

Michael Dugger

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #42 on: March 22, 2013, 07:05:38 PM »
I golf in Portland, and don't have much new to add.

Redtail better than Bandon.....that's funny.  That's right up there with the bartender at Meriwether who told me their course use to rank right up with the best on the West Coast including Pebble Beach.  I doubt it did, and it sure doesn't now!

As for public courses, I can endorse Heron, OGA Tukwila, Stone Creek, Chehalem Glen, Tri Mountain, Camas Meadows, Redtail and Pumpkin as being of moderate architectural interest and worth a round.

But not really worth a special trip...

What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Pete_Pittock

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #43 on: March 22, 2013, 08:55:16 PM »
Haha! Redtail! That course is on my list of terrible, and it takes a lot to get on that list btw!

I live a mile and ahalf away and the only time I have been on it in the last 30 years is to work rules for the OGA.

Josh Smith

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #44 on: March 22, 2013, 10:44:56 PM »
Discovering architecture after I moved from there I want to say it is an original H Chandler Egan hotbed, isn't it.  I'd see Eastmoreland for its grens that are laying on the ground and not built up ( I think). Half OT Tualatin CC's greens are likely still original other half Fought.  Oswego Lake, not sure what is original, maybe routing.  And Waverley is really cool.  Egan Macan, right?

Josh

Stephen Davis

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #45 on: March 22, 2013, 10:47:28 PM »
Haha! Redtail! That course is on my list of terrible, and it takes a lot to get on that list btw!

I live a mile and ahalf away and the only time I have been on it in the last 30 years is to work rules for the OGA.
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Dan Herrmann

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #46 on: March 23, 2013, 08:51:36 AM »
I'll echo the comments on Rose City. I always enjoyed playing there.  It's a solid municipal golf course.  It'll never be world-class, but it fulfills its role very well.

I'd like to know how good Oregon Golf Club is too.  They built it after I left on some challenging land.

John Kirk

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #47 on: March 23, 2013, 11:10:52 PM »
Played Rose City GC for the first time today.  Nice terrain and walk in a nice neighborhood.  Probably not worth Tom's special attention for consideration in the Confidential Guide, but I enjoyed the course very much and as Tom D. indicated, sometimes we don't know what he's looking for.  Clearly challenges Eastmoreland as the best public course in town.  I also like the Greenback course at Delta Park (original name for Heron Lakes).

We're about to have a week of sunshine with temps in the 60s this week.  Blessed with good weather much earlier than usual.

Tom_Doak

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #48 on: March 24, 2013, 12:15:51 AM »
Thanks to all of you for the recommendations.  I had a pretty full day today:

Walked 18 holes at Columbia-Edgewater
Walked 18 holes at Waverley
Had lunch in the city
Drove to the coast
Took a quick peek at Gearhart Links
Played 18 holes at Astoria with the superintendent and the assistant professional

Waverley was terrific -- much better than I'd anticipated.  Astoria was unique, but sort of what I expected.

Driving down the coast tomorrow morning to get back to work in Bandon.

William_G

Re: What's the Most Interesting Course in Portland, Oregon?
« Reply #49 on: March 24, 2013, 07:22:50 AM »
nice trip, someone has to do it  :)
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