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Jeff Shelman

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Moon Valley Country Club - another Phoenix option
« on: December 28, 2011, 10:05:42 AM »
I posted this on my blog (with pictures), http://tinyurl.com/d4zccb2 but thought I would share the text here for anybody who is headed to Phoenix over the next 100 days or so.

Course: Moon Valley Country Club

Location: Phoenix, AZ

Course stats: Black tees — 7,216 yards, par 72. Blue tees — 6,584 yards.

Overview/Thoughts: I kind of have a love/hate relationship with golf in Phoenix. The weather is pretty solid over the winter — it is going to be warm enough to play and you don’t have a great chance of rain — and that’s great. But the golf courses can be lacking.

While there are plenty of golf courses in the Phoenix area, too many of them fall into one of four categories.

1. Courses that are boring because of pancake greens and cookie-cutter design.

2. Courses that have houses that are way too close to the playing corridors and aren’t all that much fun.

3. Courses that have greens that stimp at about 6.

4. Courses that have good conditions or are interesting, but are way too expensive. The similar courses are the one that simply overpriced for what they are or for the condition or are expensive and have horrible pace of play.

There are certainly some good options in the Phoenix area where there is a combination of interesting holes, good conditions and a fair price (fair is subjective as I think you can pay $150 and have it be a good value or you can pay $50 and feel ripped off). I like Raven at Verrado, Trilogy at Vistancia and Wigwam Gold. I’ve heard only good things about Southern Dunes and Vista Verde. I’ve had good experiences at Talking Stick and We-Ko-Pa, but I do realize those fees can get a little steep.

I now have a new option: Moon Valley Country Club. Moon Valley is a private club in Phoenix. It was designed by Dick Wilson and Bob Cupp did some work out there. And the club is now putting tee times on GolfNow with rates of less than $100 (this could change as we get into January and February).  The club previously hosted an annual LPGA event and it is the course that Annika Sorenstam lit up for a smooth 59.

On a recent trip to Phoenix, I had a very nice day at Moon Valley, and it isn’t just because I played well. There are some interesting holes and the greens were the smoothest and fastest I played in four rounds.

Because the club was built as a private club — and it is my understanding that the membership is working hard to keep it that way despite issues with the city over water — there are more interesting holes. This was meant to be a solid test of golf for people who play on a regular basis rather than a public course where features (greens, bunkering, forced carries) are softened to ensure that not-so-avid golfers get around in a decent amount of time. Because of that, there is more slope in the greens, there are some elevated greens and players can’t just run the ball onto the green on every hole.

The course, which stretches to 7,216 yards (I played it at 6,584), is certainly worth a look. Because it was initially built in the 50s or 60s, this is much more of a parkland course than a desert layout. That said, it isn’t over treed. There are holes that turn both directions, there’s a par 5 that’s reachable in two, there are beefy par 4s, there are par 4s where placement is more important than power. Throw in the fact that the course is very walkable (there are a couple of green-to-tee walks of maybe 200-300 yards) and it is a wonderful way to spend a day. I played with a husband and wife. I walked, they rode. We hardly waited and played in 3 hours, 45 minutes.

If there’s a weakness of this course, it is the 17th. With a big pond left and a tee box that doesn’t really aim the golfer at the fairway, it is an awkward hole, especially that late in the round. I probably would like it more if I played there again, but it didn’t seem to fit.

Howard Riefs

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Re: Moon Valley Country Club - another Phoenix option
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2011, 10:46:51 AM »
Jeff is too modest.  He also shot a magical 70 on a 4.0 index.  

He writes about his round of the year here:

http://onlygolfmatters.com/2011/12/27/when-a-couple-rounds-of-golf-turn-magical/

"The game is hard. The game can be frustrating. The game makes me (or is it all of us) say bad words. But when it is good, it is a lot of fun."

Congrats, Jeff.
"Golf combines two favorite American pastimes: Taking long walks and hitting things with a stick."  ~P.J. O'Rourke

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Moon Valley Country Club - another Phoenix option
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2011, 11:26:00 AM »
Jeff,

Thanks for the review of Moon Valley. I'll keep this course on my radar during my winter hiatus which begins next week. Since this course was previously owned by the Solheim family, can I play there with my Mizunos?  :)


"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Jeff Shelman

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Re: Moon Valley Country Club - another Phoenix option
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2011, 11:44:57 AM »
Steve,

I didn't have to go through a TSA-like screening between the parking lot and the first tee. So I was able to sneak on with my Mizunos.

I think it is a decent option, especially if you can get a good rate. Also a good option if you want a little break from desert golf.

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Moon Valley Country Club - another Phoenix option
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2011, 11:49:45 AM »
Jeff,

I'm staying near The Wigwam so Wigwam Red & Gold are always an option for non desert golf but if the price is ok at Moon Valley , I'll get over there.


Thanks again.
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Jeff Shelman

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Re: Moon Valley Country Club - another Phoenix option
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2011, 11:59:37 AM »
Steve,

If you have any military connection, the course at Luke AFB (Falcon Dunes) is pretty fun and is a great value. My parents' neighbor has retired military status so we go out there pretty much every time I'm there.

Dave Givnish

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Re: Moon Valley Country Club - another Phoenix option
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2011, 10:36:02 AM »
The members were actively in the process of selling the club as of a couple of weeks ago.   The water issues are cost-related, not access to water, as I understand.  A number of steps were taken a couple of years ago to reduce consumption but it doesn't look like they could do enough. 

I'm not sure if a deal is complete at this point though.  One deal fell through.

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Moon Valley Country Club - another Phoenix option
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2011, 10:43:32 AM »
Jeff,

I almost made it to Falcon Dunes last winter but my host got sick. I'm still trying. The course looks good from the road.


"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Matthew Petersen

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Re: Moon Valley Country Club - another Phoenix option
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2012, 11:08:50 AM »
I played here yesterday and was happy to find that despite the continuing financial difficulties, the course is in wonderful shape. the greens were quick and true, fairways not firm but still with some bounce.

It's a better course than you would think just from driving by or looking at an aerial. Definitely some blah holes out there, but some good doglegs, a few nice sporty holes, and some greens I was very impressed by. Greens are definitely the strength and main defense for the course. Also, despite being surrounded by homes, the course doesn't feel particularly hemmed in. No one in my group hit any shot that looked like it had any real chance of being OB. Three of us played in 3 hours, starting just before 1. Excellent value.

Steve_ Shaffer

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"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

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