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Niall Hay

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Re: The 25 most Architecturally Interesting Courses in the U.S.
« Reply #75 on: March 05, 2013, 04:26:42 PM »
Quote from: Michael George on March 01, 2013, 05:44:13 PM
Sven:

I think your list is pretty good, but I would include:

Shadow Creek - best example of man made golf courses with unlimited budget - remove Winged Foot East
#2 - most severe greens on strategic golf course - remove Seminole
Milwaukee CC - best example of Alison (& Colt to a degree) in US.  Bunkering alone is necessary to see - remove Friars Head
Kinloch - the use of multiple routes to the green - remove Crystal Downs
The Golf Club - I think it is good to see early Dye versus later Dye (Sawgrass) - remove Ocean Course
Firestone South - RTJ penal golf without regard to variance in routing - remove Spyglass Hill
Myopia Hunt - early championship golf by Leeds - remove Fishers Island
Garden City - Emmet/Travis - remove Balustrol (Upper)

Shadow Creek - best example of man made golf courses with unlimited budget - remove Winged Foot East
#2 - most severe greens on strategic golf course - remove Seminole
Milwaukee CC - best example of Alison (& Colt to a degree) in US.  Bunkering alone is necessary to see - remove Friars Head
The Golf Club - I think it is good to see early Dye versus later Dye (Sawgrass) - remove Ocean Course
Myopia Hunt - early championship golf by Leeds - remove Fishers Island
Garden City - Emmet/Travis - remove Balustrol (Upper)

The Golf Club is often overlooked.
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Niall Hay

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Re: The 25 most Architecturally Interesting Courses in the U.S.
« Reply #76 on: March 05, 2013, 04:27:44 PM »
Quote from: Bill McKinley on March 02, 2013, 10:26:47 AM
OK here goes...

Augusta National - Dr. Mac/Bob Jones
Cypress Point - Dr. Mac
Pine Valley - Crump
Merion East - Wilson
NGLA - CBM

Winged Foot West - Tilly
Chicago Golf Club - CBM/Raynor
Seminole - Ross
LACC North - Thomas
Oakmont - Fownes

Sand Hills - C&C
Ballyneal - Doak
The Golf Club - Dye
Pinehurst #2 - Ross
Shinnecock Hills - Flynn

Kapalua Plantation - C&C
Eastward Ho - Fowler
Pacific Dunes - Doak
Praire Dunes - Maxwell
Canterbury - Strong


Would somehow try and get SFGC in for Tilly.
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Niall Hay

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Re: The 25 most Architecturally Interesting Courses in the U.S.
« Reply #77 on: March 05, 2013, 04:29:04 PM »
Quote from: Bill Brightly on March 01, 2013, 07:51:06 PM
Quote from: Jud Tigerman on March 01, 2013, 07:15:09 PM
yet another suggestion for the CG Gazetteer...

Sven,  

I'd probably dump Fishers in favor of Shoreacres for Raynor due to his ingenious use of the ravines...

Jud,

You are probably right. Fishers is probably an example of (Raynor) getting a great site and not trying to do too much. So you could add in Shoreacres, Yale and Yeamans in place of Fishers as a better example of his work. Or maybe Fishers SHOULD be in as an example of an architect understanding the effect of wind, and allowing that to be the dominant feature?

What about Carmargo for Raynor? Pure Raynor.
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Niall Hay

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Re: The 25 most Architecturally Interesting Courses in the U.S.
« Reply #78 on: March 05, 2013, 04:34:42 PM »
Quote from: Jaeger Kovich on March 02, 2013, 10:51:42 AM
I don't think you guys seem to understand what Architecturally Interested seems to mean! ;D ;D

Put a lot of thought into this and argued about it for hours over dinner and drinks last night.... in no particular order:

Augusta National - constant updates, the masters, maintenance practices, etc
Crystal Downs - routing, greens
Cypress - combination of different landscapes, and the ultimate california coast scenes
Pine Valley - multiple archs, the ultimate in hard
Sand Hills - destination club, minimalism, influential in modern construction
Pinehurst #2 - routing, greens, constant tinkering, restoration
Prairie Dune - the greens, without PD you wouldnt' have Sand Hills, or Bandon
Pac Dunes - Modern links
Ballyneal - inland fescue, ground game
NGLA - templates, the original great course
Shinny - dude... its a 10, and you never even see the water
Friars Head - combination of landscapes, manufactured and natural
Shadow Creek - the ultimate in $$$
Sawgrass - stadium golf, its lack of functioning for resort play v tournaments
Oakmont - difficulty, parkland
Bayonne - Landfill, location in NY harbor
Sheep Ranch - is it even a golf course?!
Harbor Town - its different and narrow
Streamsong - 36 hole routing w 2 architects, reclaimed site
WFW - flat, man sized, parkland
Tobacco Road - bigger and bolder
Wild Horse - the ultimate in simple, public golf A+ model
Garden City - flatish ground, greens at grade
Desert Forest - desert golf
Merion East - Small property

honerable mentions: The Desmond Murihead Master Piece, Rawls Course, LACC, Oakland Hills, Yale, Cal Club

The Desmond Murihead Master Piece - what is this?
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: The 25 most Architecturally Interesting Courses in the U.S.
« Reply #79 on: March 05, 2013, 05:03:51 PM »
Stone Harbor is my guess on the DM Masterpiece
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V. Kmetz

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Re: The 25 most Architecturally Interesting Courses in the U.S.
« Reply #80 on: March 05, 2013, 08:31:04 PM »
I put down Stone Harbor on my list way back nearer the outset of the thread.

It's like "Architects gone wild"...island fairways, stair case greens, it doesn't have the "Jaws" hole from one of his other works.

It's not a rewarding or fair place to play a medal game (I was last there caddying in a CPC qualifier about 10 years ago) but it is "interesting" as to exemplar of such imaginative features.

cheers

vk
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"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

Lyne Morrison

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Re: The 25 most Architecturally Interesting Courses in the U.S.
« Reply #81 on: March 07, 2013, 07:11:30 PM »


Rustic Canyon

Of interest as it is a quality architectural product that is accessible to All to study and play.

Addresses playability for all participants;  male, female, young, ambitious, strong, senior and recreational.

Strategic design, thought provoking approaches and a superb set of greens.

A course to learn from; engaging architecture, environmentally, economically and socially sustainable.

An ideal layout for our times.

Lyne


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