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Adam Clayman

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Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« on: March 01, 2013, 05:29:46 PM »
Most mornings, as I flipped through the directory on Direct TV and I see "European PGA Tour" my heart races for nearly a whole nano second. That is, until I read where they are playing. For the most part, it's not one of the great links on the continent, it's on some Asian or South African course that looks like every 1989 American course came along and threw up all over the landscape.

So why do they call it "european" when they never play in Europe?
 

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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2013, 05:30:29 PM »
Yup, you're right. Not one event for 2013 is scheduled on the continent nor in the isles.

How did they miss that?
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SL_Solow

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Re: Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2013, 05:49:00 PM »
For the same reason they still call it the Big 10

David Minogue

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Re: Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2013, 05:52:29 PM »
Adam,

I understand your frustration with the name sake European Tour,they play the courses in asia and south africa due to the climate. During the early months of the year it is difficult for the courses to be at so called tournament standard in continental europe. It is similar to having tournaments in florida and california at the start and end of the US season.
I do not understand why they dont play tournaments on some of the great links courses but as far as i know it is a logistics of location and access to the tournament. The weather also is another factor of the tour not using these courses, I guess they follow the good weather to keep the pro's happy.
They do play the bulk of the tournaments in and around europe, but I guess they have to make money somehow from tv rights and sponsorship to keep the tour going.

Cheers.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2013, 06:01:39 PM by David Minogue »

Adam Lawrence

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Re: Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2013, 05:58:03 PM »
The European Tour doesn't play on the great links for the same reason the USPGA Tour doesn't play at Pine Valley, Shinnecock, Oakmont etc - those courses are mostly owned by clubs for whom there's nothing to be gained by hosting the Tour, and the economics of professional golf says you go where you are wanted, by host and sponsor alike.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2013, 05:59:27 PM »
Yup, you're right. Not one event for 2013 is scheduled on the continent nor in the isles.

How did they miss that?

Huh?
We looking at the same schedule?

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Mike_Clayton

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Re: Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2013, 06:25:32 PM »
They play everywhere because they needed to extend the tour (pre about 1988) beyond April and October - something dictated by weather.

There used to be seven events in Spain - now they maybe have one for obvious economic reasons. Some one told me last week there is no German Open this season.Hard to believe.
They need to follow the money and the weather - and they need to give playing opportunities to lower ranked players. There is a staggering gap between what the top 20-30 players play for (remember Europe counts WGC and Majors on its money list) and the rest.
The winner of the tour school might play for 30% of what Westwood et al play for.

Pete_Pittock

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Re: Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2013, 06:40:37 PM »
Yup, you're right. Not one event for 2013 is scheduled on the continent nor in the isles.

How did they miss that?

I saw events in Germany, Spain, Portugal, England, Ireland Scotland and Sweden, to name a few.

Mark Bourgeois

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Re: Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2013, 07:54:36 PM »

So why do they call it "european" when they never play in Europe?


You're ahead of roughly 299-million Americans for noticing, which explains in part why they're doing it.
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SL_Solow

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Re: Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2013, 09:10:28 PM »
For the same reason it is still called the Big 10

astavrides

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Re: Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2013, 09:45:41 PM »
Yup, you're right. Not one event for 2013 is scheduled on the continent nor in the isles.

How did they miss that?

Huh?
We looking at the same schedule?

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mike_beene

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Re: Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2013, 11:06:25 PM »
With the golf channel it seems I see as much European as US.

Martin Toal

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Re: Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2013, 10:11:44 AM »
The European Tour simply covers anywhere in Europe or in any former colonial possessions of European countries.

Beware: that includes the US and Canada, folks.

Gary Slatter

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Re: Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2013, 06:56:44 PM »
because World Series was already taken?   
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Josh Stevens

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Re: Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2013, 08:15:24 PM »
Because they are inclusive, outwardly looking and commercially astute.  I suppose they could call it the world tour, but Finchem would choke on his coco pops.

It was European at inception, but for the all the reasons stated it expanded:
 - poor weather
- poor courses outside GB&I
- best courses in GB&I are not well located for anything less than a major
- chasing the money
- it expands their fan base as fans from the colonies are far more likely to be followers of the tour if they get a local tournament every year rather than followiing some odd travelling circus in the US
- does access some fantastic courses from time to time that are far superior to the weekly dross on both the European and US tours.  If the likes of Australia, NZ or South Africa for example get one European tour event a year, then they are unlikely to waste that opportuntiy and plonk it on some 80's resort track (not an iron clad rule alas)
- because they have to, folowing the money.
-because they can as European players are actuallly prepared to get on a plane and fly somewhere where they speak a funny language

Would the US tour suffer from playing a few non-US tournaments.  Def not apart from the fact none of the americans would show up

Martin Toal

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Re: Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2013, 05:24:22 AM »
Because they are inclusive, outwardly looking and commercially astute.  I suppose they could call it the world tour, but Finchem would choke on his coco pops.

It was European at inception, but for the all the reasons stated it expanded:
 - poor weather
- poor courses outside GB&I
- best courses in GB&I are not well located for anything less than a major
- chasing the money
- it expands their fan base as fans from the colonies are far more likely to be followers of the tour if they get a local tournament every year rather than followiing some odd travelling circus in the US
- does access some fantastic courses from time to time that are far superior to the weekly dross on both the European and US tours.  If the likes of Australia, NZ or South Africa for example get one European tour event a year, then they are unlikely to waste that opportuntiy and plonk it on some 80's resort track (not an iron clad rule alas)
- because they have to, folowing the money.
-because they can as European players are actuallly prepared to get on a plane and fly somewhere where they speak a funny language

Would the US tour suffer from playing a few non-US tournaments.  Def not apart from the fact none of the americans would show up

This is of course correct - to expand the season meant going to places with better weather and established events and the existing events in SA and Oz made perfect sense. Many of the Euro players played them already.

Adam Clayman

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Re: Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2013, 07:19:59 AM »
so what you're saying is that they haven't a clue as to what makes this sport different from all others. Choosing to chase the almighty $$ versus golfing on grounds, and under conditions, best suited to identify a real golfing champion? Yes?

Do people actually buy into this crap? Or is it only sponsors?
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Simon Holt

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Re: Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2013, 07:29:40 AM »
I noticed they just came out and supported the anchoring ban.
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Mark Pearce

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Re: Why do they call it the European PGA Tour?
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2013, 12:41:40 PM »
I noticed they just came out and supported the anchoring ban.
As, I think, has every other professional tour other than the US PGA Tour.
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