Tilt

[Sean_A]

Holy Shiza Minnelli!

The 4th green at Eastward Ho! is almost absurdly back to front...



Another Fowler of course.

Ciao

[Pete Lavallee]

I just played Torrey Pines North yesterday and was reminded that those greens all have great back to front tilt! No wonder the City of San Diego is paying $7.8 million for Phil to blow them up! Truely a tradgedy that such a great set of greens are being obliterated because the are not USGA spec; the City Manager contends they cannot properly maintain them, unlike the revised South Course. They sure were in great shape yesterday though! They certainly have many slopes greater than 2% and that does make Tour Pros look bad for 2 days out of the year.

[Wade Schueneman]

Crystal probably has the most tilt with speed that I have ever seen (including #1, #2, #10 and #11, although #11 is tiered).  I think that #2 and #9 at North Fulton in Atlanta may have the most actual slope, but the greens run quite slow.  Some of the greens at Baltusrol are quite titlted (e.g. #2 Lower, and from the looks of things, a number of greens un the Upper).  Peachtree in Atlanta has a lot of tilted greens with speed (mostly back to front).  #3, #4 and #8 at Peachtree imeediately pop to mind.

What about #18 at Shinnecock.  I played that hole with an East wind, and you had to just tap the ball sideways to feed a 40 foot putt all the way to the hole from the back of that green (it took about 15 seconds for the putt to stop). AMAZING!  #11 also has significant tilt.

[Peter Pallotta]

The Eastward Ho no.4 green brought something to mind: it is a very tilted green, but from what I can tell, what you see is what you get, i.e. the green has been built up from the natural level/surrounds and the broader landscape, such that the tilt you see is the tilt that is there, and nothing more (or less). The rare greens (rare for me, on the course that i play) that 'work with' or 'work against' the general slope/tilt of the surrounds and of the broader landscape are almost always the most interesting, because what you see is exactly what you don't get, i.e. the tilt that you notice walking up to the green or looking at it from the side ends up proving to be either more or less severe because of the deception involved -- the way the designer has accentuated or masked or diminished the severity of your up hill or down hill or side hill put by 'playing with' the green's tilt in relationship to the surround/landscape. 

Peter

[Tom_Doak]

The one modern course that has the most tilted greens of any is The Plantation Course at Kapalua.

Those greens frequently have the Tour players screaming "Tilt!"

[jeffwarne]

Holy Shiza Minnelli!

The 4th green at Eastward Ho! is almost absurdly back to front...



Another Fowler of course.

Ciao

There are two ways to look at that green
Either at MUCH slower speeds more of the green could be used
OR
it was always intended for the pin to be in the area shown,even though speeds have increased
that's a lot of tilt

Love to see that much tilt from front to back

[Niall C]

Donal

If I knew you were taking notes, I'd have been more careful in what I was saying ! If I recall the story correctly myself, MacKenzie wasn't involved directly although the green was built as per his suggestion in terms of location at least. The conversation as to the completed design was between the club and the contractor, and the contractor saying, "you said you wanted it flat but you didn't say you wanted it level" or something like that. Need to get my club history out to be sure.

Niall

[Dónal Ó Ceallaigh]

Donal

If I knew you were taking notes, I'd have been more careful in what I was saying ! If I recall the story correctly myself, MacKenzie wasn't involved directly although the green was built as per his suggestion in terms of location at least. The conversation as to the completed design was between the club and the contractor, and the contractor saying, "you said you wanted it flat but you didn't say you wanted it level" or something like that. Need to get my club history out to be sure.

Niall

I blame it on the my getting old; the memory isn't what it once was.  I must check the book also; I've only browsed through it once or twice.