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Russell Lo

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SFGC-Glorious!
« on: February 22, 2013, 06:07:34 PM »
I had the great fortune to play San Francisco Golf Club a few weekends ago. What a great experience.

Overall impressions:
Super classy, very rigid on thier rules, but not overly stuffy. Very nice staff and a wonderful setting for golf.

We went out on the same Sunday morning as the AT&T down at Pebble and were delayed by a little frost on the greens. We dropped our gear off in the classic locker room and walked by the display case with the pistols from"The Duel" before having breakfast in the even more classic "dining room". two large photos hung on the walls, Cypress 16 and an old 18th at Pebble dominated the walls. Still not sure why those pictures are up there, but those weree flanked by the wonderful mish-mash of photos of past members in no particular design or order. i wonder if any members had dressed up in Old Tom ger and hung their pics up late one night.

We started on the 10th as their was back up due to the frost dealy. Bummer for me as the 10th is a pretty tricky tee shot if you don't know where to go. Great hole. so is 12 with it's dogleg right. Does anyone know if the mound on the right o 12 is built up or existing? Birdie on 13, "little Tilly" which probably happened because I didn't realize how difficult that 138 yard hole can be.

14-16 honestly were kind of a blur to me as I ws reeling off bogeys and not taking really good notice of the architecture, save the Tarantual bunker. I drove the ball really well on those holes with a low, big draw, but still ended up withthose bogeys. Guess i should have taken more notice.

17 is a beast with it's dogleg right and all uphill. 15 and 17 reminded slightlyof #3 at the Valley Club of Montecito for its easy to overlook uphill characteristic and subtly very difficult greens. 

Tom_Doak

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Re: SFGC-Glorious!
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2013, 08:09:25 PM »
I had the great fortune to play San Francisco Golf Club a few weekends ago. What a great experience.

Overall impressions:
Super classy, very rigid on thier rules, but not overly stuffy. Very nice staff and a wonderful setting for golf.

We went out on the same Sunday morning as the AT&T down at Pebble and were delayed by a little frost on the greens. We dropped our gear off in the classic locker room and walked by the display case with the pistols from"The Duel" before having breakfast in the even more classic "dining room". two large photos hung on the walls, Cypress 16 and an old 18th at Pebble dominated the walls. Still not sure why those pictures are up there, but those weree flanked by the wonderful mish-mash of photos of past members in no particular design or order. i wonder if any members had dressed up in Old Tom ger and hung their pics up late one night.

We started on the 10th as their was back up due to the frost dealy. Bummer for me as the 10th is a pretty tricky tee shot if you don't know where to go. Great hole. so is 12 with it's dogleg right. Does anyone know if the mound on the right o 12 is built up or existing? Birdie on 13, "little Tilly" which probably happened because I didn't realize how difficult that 138 yard hole can be.

14-16 honestly were kind of a blur to me as I ws reeling off bogeys and not taking really good notice of the architecture, save the Tarantual bunker. I drove the ball really well on those holes with a low, big draw, but still ended up withthose bogeys. Guess i should have taken more notice.

17 is a beast with it's dogleg right and all uphill. 15 and 17 reminded slightlyof #3 at the Valley Club of Montecito for its easy to overlook uphill characteristic and subtly very difficult greens. 

The "mounds" to either side of the approach on #12 are actually the remnants of an old railroad grade that ran across that corner of the property.  The green chairman told me just the other day that one of the members was president of the railroad, and when the track was no longer needed, he had it removed so they could use that corner of the property to extend the golf course.  This must have been when Tillinghast came out in 1920 to redesign the course and make it his own ... or possibly in the mid-20's when the bunker work was all redone.  The green is back in that position already in the earliest aerial photos we have, from the late 20's.

Joel_Stewart

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Re: SFGC-Glorious!
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2013, 09:38:21 PM »
I was always told that the current 12th green is not a Tillinghast green but one from a green chairman back in the 20's or 30's?


Tom_Doak

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Re: SFGC-Glorious!
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2013, 11:49:04 PM »
Joel:

I will have to check my sources when I get back home next week.  Phil Young would know, if he's still around here at all.

Russell Lo

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Re: SFGC-Glorious!
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2013, 05:30:22 PM »
Thanks Tom and Joel for the insight. As we waited on the first Tee Sandy Tatum drove by on a golf cart and said," have a nice round Gentlemen", now how great is this getting! i love how the front nine eleveation changes are so much more dramatic as the terrain drops toward Lake Merced.

both #2 and #8 play into the valley to an uphill green. I was wondering if there were other routing alternatives, or was it simply create the hole based on the terrain? #4, the 230ish yard par 3 seems like a pretty long 1 shotter back in the day. Was the hole lenghtehend on any of the restorations? Up and down from the left bunker, still having a great time!

i met the superintendent in the rpo shop and he mentioned quite a bit of tree clearing taking place. he mentioned that the Eucalyptus was very acidic when it decayed and was burning out the nearby areas. He also mentioned that the club by laws prevented the re-design, but allowed for restoration. Again, great job Tom on getting the course to it's present state.

#6 going back down to Lake Merced reminded me again of The Valley Club as the green looks pretty beningn, but there is so much almost imperceptible slope on those greens. #7 is such a treat, even though I pulled one into the short left bunker. Caddies were saying I was dead, but a lucky bunker shot 5 feet above a front left pin rolling out to 8 inches had me smiling. Love the bunkers surrounding the current green. Great framing.

Lot of tree clearing on the right slope of #8. By the time it is finished it should provide a lot more sun and air circulation.

Drivere, 3 wood, 6 iron to 6 feet on #9. Wound up with a birdie on the shortest and longest hole on the course. Couldn't ask for a better experience at a finer course.


JMEvensky

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Re: SFGC-Glorious!
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2013, 05:52:48 PM »
Does SFGC still have a caddie they called Lurch? He was there about 15 years ago.

I watched this man-mountain carry 2 staff bags on 1 shoulder. Never had seen it done that way before and haven't seen it done that way since. I wish I could find the photo.

astavrides

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Re: SFGC-Glorious! New
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2013, 02:53:15 PM »
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Joel_Stewart

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Re: SFGC-Glorious!
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2013, 05:36:53 PM »
Joel:

I will have to check my sources when I get back home next week.  Phil Young would know, if he's still around here at all.

Phil is not around here anymore but I asked him anyway.   His response:

The 12th green has been in the exact location it is now since Tilly first designed it in 1924. Its had its shape and greenside bunkering changed by Tilly once and the bunkers on the entire hole on another occasion by Tilly as well as adding a new tee site. It was MOVED to its location by Tilly from the members-designed green that was first designed in 1918 and then redesigned in 1921 by a members committee as well, the entire hole being completed redesigned from one end to the other.

The person who told you that was probably referring to one of two other greens. In 1929/30, Tilly relocated the 1st green to where it sits today. Before it was built, one of the Board members insisted that it be changed to a different location entirely and single-handedly held up the work on that hole for nearly a year and a half before relenting. Tilly would actually write about this critically in an article in the Pacific Coast golfer in 1938 or '39 (I can't remember which off-hand). The other possibility is the 10th green which was changed to a slightly different location from where Tilly had it in 1938.

The 12th green is just beyond where an old train spur ran and which was covered over when the course was designed by Tilly. They were able to get the spur removed because one of the Club's original 1895 founding members, J. Downey harvey, was Chairman of the railroad...

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