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Peter Ferlicca

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East London Golf Club, South Africa
« on: February 16, 2013, 11:12:27 AM »
I don't think we ever have talked about this course.  Every year I watch the tournament on TV the course looks awesome.  The topography, links type set-up, small greens with little bunkers, the views of the indian ocean.  Would love to hear some opinions on the golf course for those that have played.  It never gets mentioned as a course to play when in South Africa, what hurts it.  Conditions look less than inspiring, but IMO that is how it should be.   I love the look of that one hole where you drive up through a thin neck and then the fairways goes straight downhill to the green, also the driveable par 4. 

Tom_Doak

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Re: East London Golf Club, South Africa
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2013, 12:51:22 PM »
The course has come up a couple of times, but I think only Bob Huntley and Philip Gawith have played it.  The GCA tour of South Africa a couple of years back did not make a stop there, unfortunately.

I flew right over it landing in East London on my way to Port Elizabeth when I was in South Africa 20 years ago ... I really wished I'd had time to get out and have a look, it's practically right next to the airport there.

I think it never gets mentioned in South Africa because it's not new, and there's not a lot of money behind it.  The locals don't even rate Durban C.C. in the top ten courses in South Africa anymore ... they just want to play all the latest Gary Player and Ernie Els designs.

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: East London Golf Club, South Africa
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2013, 01:37:14 PM »
I should love to know about Humewood, too.

Jim McCann

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Re: East London Golf Club, South Africa
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2013, 02:03:42 PM »
Tom:

I was going to take you to task regarding Durban (Country Club) not being rated amongst the top ten courses in South Africa... then I double checked the 2012 Golf Digest rankings and, sure enough, I was surprised to see that it had dropped to number 11.

I can perhaps understand locals wanting to play Gary Player courses, just because he has so many (ten, to be exact) ranked in the Springbok Top 50. I’m not so sure golfers are as keen to play the latest Ernie Els designs, seeing as he has fashioned fewer than a handful of courses in his homeland, and only two of these - Oubaai and Copperleaf - are currently ranked.

My guess is locals are as likely to play a Peter Matkovich layout (he has 12 designs in the Top 50) or even a Nicklaus course (Jack has five courses ranked in the SA Top 50).

Bob_Huntley

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Re: East London Golf Club, South Africa
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2013, 02:21:54 PM »
Tom:

I was going to take you to task regarding Durban (Country Club) not being rated amongst the top ten courses in South Africa... then I double checked the 2012 Golf Digest rankings and, sure enough, I was surprised to see that it had dropped to number 11.

I can perhaps understand locals wanting to play Gary Player courses, just because he has so many (ten, to be exact) ranked in the Springbok Top 50. I’m not so sure golfers are as keen to play the latest Ernie Els designs, seeing as he has fashioned fewer than a handful of courses in his homeland, and only two of these - Oubaai and Copperleaf - are currently ranked.

My guess is locals are as likely to play a Peter Matkovich layout (he has 12 designs in the Top 50) or even a Nicklaus course (Jack has five courses ranked in the SA Top 50).


Jim,

Have you any knowlege of Maccauvlei Golf Club? I was invited to play there years ago and never made. I believe it was started by George Peck and finished by Major S.V. Hotchkin.

Bob


Jim McCann

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Re: East London Golf Club, South Africa
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2013, 02:37:48 PM »
Bob:

Maccauvlei features on the Top 100 Golf Courses website:

http://www.top100golfcourses.co.uk/htmlsite/productdetails.asp?id=1483

but there have been no reviews received yet for the course.

I have a book from 2009 by Golf Digest South Africa editor Stuart McLean with photos from Jamie Thom, entitled ”South Africa’s Greatest Golf Destinations” in which Maccauvlei is described thus:

“In its secluded setting next to the tree-lined banks of the Vaal River you can turn the clock back on a visit to Maccauvlei, which takes great pride in its heritage. The original clubhouse is unchanged, several rooms having been restored to reflect its grand past. The club might not be as busy as it once was, but it continues to ooze grace, charm and character.”

George Peck is said to have set out the course in 1926 then this layout was redesigned by Colonel S.V. Hotchkin three years later.

I understand Peter Matkovich subsequently carried out a restoration of the course in the late 1990s.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2013, 03:07:55 PM by Jim McCann »

Philip Gawith

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Re: East London Golf Club, South Africa
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2013, 05:45:58 PM »
I am afraid that I have not played East London so nothing to add. It is a bit off the beaten trail so you don't get there without making an effort. But I would like sometime to offer that service to the board!

Mark,i have played Humewood which I think is one of the very few links outside the British Isles. I think both it and East London are Hodgkin courses but as Tom points out South Africans are in thrall to modern courses/Nicklaus/Els/Player etc. There is no culture of GCA appreciation worth talking of. Humewood is at Port Elizabeth aka the windy city which tells some of what you need to know.i know when Ran went to SA Humewood was his favourite course. It has one fantastic uphill par 4 that sticks especially in the memory.

Philip

john_stiles

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Re: East London Golf Club, South Africa
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2013, 06:40:17 PM »
Checked out the routing many years ago via  google earth when I noticed all the interesting terrain on Golf Channel broadcast.

Of course, I will never make it there.   So someone should post some photos or point to an old thread w/ photos  ?

From their web site,  " The ELGC was recently rated the 15th best golf course in SA by Golf Digest."   Rates look reasonable and then noticed some fees include a security levy.

Conditions looked fine on TV today,  though not 11 on the stimp.  Broadcast mentioned potential for high winds and hence the greens were not as fast as possible.

Maybe some photos could be posted.............

Tom_Doak

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Re: East London Golf Club, South Africa
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2013, 10:17:07 PM »
I did play Humewood on my tour in 1992 ... it was one of the firmest and fastest links courses I've ever played.  The wind there is pretty relentless. 

It's not a great routing -- there are a bunch of parallel holes going up and down, into the wind and then downwind, back and forth -- but two holes of the same length playing in opposite directions, play like they're 100 yards different.  There aren't nearly as many great holes as at Durban.  The long par-4 13th is the one Philip mentioned -- it was an unreachable par-4 the day I played it, a very good hole but it would only be the sixth best hole at Durban.  But, the conditions add a lot to the overall package, to the point where it challenges Durban for supremacy, even without as many standout holes.

Jim McCann

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Re: East London Golf Club, South Africa
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2013, 08:05:36 AM »
Peter:

Returning to your thread on East London GC, the Thom and McLean book I mentioned earlier speaks very fondly of the old course:

“East London’s superbly varied layout is built on one of the finest natural sites anywhere in the world, and it remains unspoiled and underdeveloped, remote from the busy outside world. It climbs and undulates over high forested dunes and through thick indigenous bush on the Indian Ocean shoreline, overlooking some of the finest beaches in the country”.

The authors also emphasize the historical importance of the course:
    
“East London, together with Durban Country Club and Humewood, forms part of a triumvirate of uniquely classic championship courses that have left an indelible impression on the history of golf in South Africa. The three have hosted an amazing twenty-nine SA Opens and thirty-one SA Amateurs… (and) were the foundation on which our golfing traditions were built from the 1920s onwards”.

"South Africa's Greatest Golf Destinations" (ISBN 978-1-77007-622-8) is a terrific coffee table book that features 56 top courses from that part of the world and it's one that I'd thoroughly recommend.

Paul Jansen

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Re: East London Golf Club, South Africa
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2013, 03:47:17 PM »
Yes Jim, I purchased the book at Durban Airport, probably 3 years ago now, for around 500 Rand (50 USD) and agree it is probably the only book, that I can think of, which graphically depicts some of the better golf courses in South Africa - with a bit of information about these clubs as well.  I question some of the newer golf courses being in this book particularly at the expense of some of the parkland golf courses in the Johannesburg area which are quite good. Perhaps, as Philip mentioned, this is because there is more of an association with new versus old.
 
Colonel SV Hotchkin (of Woodhall Spa + West Sussex fame) toured South Africa in the N.H winter of 27/28. His work would span the country and by the time he left he would have visited / been involved in many of the better golf courses we see there today. The spread includes Humewood, East London, Port Alfred, Maccauvlei and even Durban CC (from recollection) + a host of other well-known golf courses in South Africa. It is hard to argue that he probably had the most influence of any foreign architect.

I can see why East London GC is not a popular 'out of the way' stop. The city, whilst picturesque, has a real sleepy coastal feel about it and there really is not much going on - although I am sure the locals would dispute this. I visited over 15 years ago and remember the cricket team being quite good and friends telling me how good the surfing was but that is about it. Mercedes Benz (or was it Volkswagen?) had their head office and factory in East London and I think just about everyone was directly or indirectly effected by its fortunes.

Unfortunately I did not have the time to visit the club during this trip - which I regret. However I recall, because I drove past it once or twice, how much natural rise and fall there was and how dense some of the scrub bounding the holes were...much like you find on the first and last few holes at Durban CC. I believe it has seen a bit of facelift  but am unaware how much of the original design has been retained ....certainly the bunkering seems to get lost in the scale a bit.... but perhaps that is how it was originally.

In terms of Humewood you are about right Tom. The routing does not impress that much although the back nine seemed to have a bit more interest than the front. Certainly, from recollection, there was more native vegetation/scrub separating the holes on the back nine - this gave each hole a bit more privacy - and was a great contrast to the front which was predominately very open. In addition to this the ground contours on the back nine were much more aggressive and certainly gave added strategic interest - see hole you mention. Other holes I remember being O.K were the 10th, 11th, 14th (Par 3?) and 18th. On the front nine I recall the short Par 3 (think hole 6?) and Par 4 hole before this. The SA Open was hosted at Humewood a couple of years ago now (Els won I recall) and some changes were made to the course including a rather bizarre stream running in front of the green on the Par 5 17th.

Incidentally just north of Port Elizabeth, where Humewood gc is, about an hour or so drive up towards the town of Alexandria there is some amazing coastal dunes that get as high as 300 feet (maybe more). They are certainly some of the biggest dunescape I can think of in South Africa. A colleague and I did a number of site visits, including one with Nick Faldo, back in 2006/7, and routed + staked 36 holes on some of the most natural golf terrain I have ever seen. Also the land was bounded by sea and national park so very secluded.  Hopefully one day the golf courses gets built because it would be ‘wow’ in a special setting.

Jim McCann

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Re: East London Golf Club, South Africa
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2013, 04:53:06 PM »
Paul:

Another good book on South African golf courses is photographer Juan Espi's "Green Splendour," published in 2006, which features
thirty eight lavishly photographed layouts.






mike_beene

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Re: East London Golf Club, South Africa
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2013, 07:41:09 PM »
With the sparse crowds I wonder how long the tournament will last?I enjoyed the shortish par 4s on the telecast.Looks very hilly.

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