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Howard Riefs

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Re: Courses played in 2012 that were Surprisingly Very Good
« Reply #100 on: February 12, 2013, 03:26:48 PM »
For me:

Battle Creek, Michigan
Chiberta, France
Pine Dunes, Texas
Sand Hollow, Utah
Himalayan, Nepal

Each of them was quite a bit better than I had expected.

Tom included these courses and a few others among his "Favorite Discoveries of 2012" that ran in the current issue of Golf Magazine. 

Mike Nuzzo posted the clip on his blog:

http://nuzzogolfcoursedesign.blogspot.com/2013/02/wolf-point-is-one-of-tom-doaks-favorite.html

I'm tempted to give Pine Dunes a shot the next time I have a free day in the Dallas area. Looks great:

http://golfweek.com/news/2012/mar/23/pine-dunes-best-little-course-texas/


"Golf combines two favorite American pastimes: Taking long walks and hitting things with a stick."  ~P.J. O'Rourke

Bill_McBride

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Re: Courses played in 2012 that were Surprisingly Very Good
« Reply #101 on: February 12, 2013, 05:30:51 PM »
Unquestionably, in the best hidden gem category was Victoria Golf Club, in you guessed it Victoria Canada. Great city and an even better golf course with several holes hugging the coast line. Will Mac Ewan's recommendation of staying at the Union Club was the cherry on top!

Pete, I felt so bad about not being able to play Victoria due to my hand injury last summer that I am taking my wife there for a visit in June.  We will play Victoria and Royal Colwood with Bob Jenkins and his wife, and yes, we'll stay at the Union Club!   

Jason Topp

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Re: Courses played in 2012 that were Surprisingly Very Good
« Reply #102 on: February 12, 2013, 05:49:06 PM »
It is hard for me to be too surprised anymore due to all of the information available here and other places on the web.  Nonetheless, I was not expecting anything original at Greyhawk Raptor and found the course to be much more interesting than I anticipated.  The fairway bunkers are very large and strategic and give one a very different view than the sameness that generally characterizes desert golf courses. 

I supsect the course is old enough that it the typical forumula for such courses had not yet been developed at the time it was built. 

Jud_T

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Re: Courses played in 2012 that were Surprisingly Very Good
« Reply #103 on: February 12, 2013, 06:18:09 PM »
Battle Creek looks like an interesting one to put on the radar.
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Sam Morrow

Re: Courses played in 2012 that were Surprisingly Very Good
« Reply #104 on: February 12, 2013, 07:24:29 PM »
For me:

Battle Creek, Michigan
Chiberta, France
Pine Dunes, Texas
Sand Hollow, Utah
Himalayan, Nepal

Each of them was quite a bit better than I had expected.

Tom included these courses and a few others among his "Favorite Discoveries of 2012" that ran in the current issue of Golf Magazine. 

Mike Nuzzo posted the clip on his blog:

http://nuzzogolfcoursedesign.blogspot.com/2013/02/wolf-point-is-one-of-tom-doaks-favorite.html

I'm tempted to give Pine Dunes a shot the next time I have a free day in the Dallas area. Looks great:

http://golfweek.com/news/2012/mar/23/pine-dunes-best-little-course-texas/




I would openly call the credibility of the Golfweek article into question.

Mac Plumart

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Re: Courses played in 2012 that were Surprisingly Very Good
« Reply #105 on: February 12, 2013, 07:29:04 PM »
I would openly call the credibility of the Golfweek article into question.

Why?


EDIT...I was just alerted that Sam is quoted in that article.   ;D ;D
« Last Edit: February 12, 2013, 08:37:41 PM by Mac Plumart »
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Matthew MacKay

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Re: Courses played in 2012 that were Surprisingly Very Good
« Reply #106 on: February 13, 2013, 06:05:22 AM »
West Palm Beach Muni
Bridgewater (Fort Erie, ON) - some very interesting greens
Kahkwa Club (Erie, PA)
Allegheny CC (PA)
Onondaga CC (Syracuse)
Bandon Crossings

Matthew Petersen

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Re: Courses played in 2012 that were Surprisingly Very Good
« Reply #107 on: February 13, 2013, 11:12:12 AM »
It is hard for me to be too surprised anymore due to all of the information available here and other places on the web.  Nonetheless, I was not expecting anything original at Greyhawk Raptor and found the course to be much more interesting than I anticipated.  The fairway bunkers are very large and strategic and give one a very different view than the sameness that generally characterizes desert golf courses. 

I supsect the course is old enough that it the typical forumula for such courses had not yet been developed at the time it was built. 

Jason,

I like Grayhawk Raptor quite a bit, too, but it's really not all that old as it opened in 1995. The desert golf template, as it were, was very well established by then. (Fazio's Estancia opened the same year and, while typically hovering around the #1 spot in most state rankings, it's very much of the typical desert template.)

I think what makes Raptor different is the relatively flat piece of property where it was built, as opposed to the more typically exposed-on-a-hillside desert courses in north Scottsdale. The course sits low with lots of acacia and mesquite trees around it. You're right that it doesn't feel like most other desert courses, but I think a lot of that was the land and also, perhaps, a deliberate effort by fazio to differentiate it from Estancia and other desert clubs in the area.

Tim Pitner

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Re: Courses played in 2012 that were Surprisingly Very Good
« Reply #108 on: February 13, 2013, 11:35:52 AM »
Prairie Club Pines. 

#18 is somewhat baffling and just plain hard, but there are some very fine holes out there.  I enjoyed the mix of more open, linksy holes and pine tree-lined, more mountain course-type holes--it reminds me of Bandon Trails in that way (although it's certainly not as good as BT). 

Howard Riefs

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Re: Courses played in 2012 that were Surprisingly Very Good
« Reply #109 on: February 13, 2013, 11:37:56 AM »
I would openly call the credibility of the Golfweek article into question.

Why?


EDIT...I was just alerted that Sam is quoted in that article.   ;D ;D


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I'm tempted to give Pine Dunes Battle Creek a shot the next time I have a free day in the Dallas area SW Michigan. Looks great

"Golf combines two favorite American pastimes: Taking long walks and hitting things with a stick."  ~P.J. O'Rourke

Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Courses played in 2012 that were Surprisingly Very Good
« Reply #110 on: February 13, 2013, 02:26:23 PM »
Blue Lakes CC in Twin Falls, ID.

A spectacular (yet unusual) setting in the bottom of the Snake River canyon, with the arch bridge, canyon walls, and waterfalls above and a couple of fun Ballybunion-esque holes early and then some thrilling par 3's after.

Even the drive into the course is an adventure.

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Courses played in 2012 that were Surprisingly Very Good
« Reply #111 on: February 14, 2013, 10:50:43 PM »
Bridgewater (Fort Erie, ON) - some very interesting greens

My biggest disappointment of 2011, if not ever. The holes closest to the clubhouse, the original 9, are Stan Thompson holes. The ones farther away are a waste, on boring land. I guess if it were a 9-hole course, it would receive more recognition and be less of a disappointment.
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